Lubawski wrote:mkcummins wrote:what is at question here is whether or not intentionally timing out to avoid carding is a cheap tactic and not one that a top clan should employ, loophole or not. If public opinion or an authoritative ruling should dictate that it is indeed fair and allowed, then so be it. But, until then, that is the topic.
Deflecting to missed turns in defense of such a tactic is a little pathetic. and trying to offset this discussion with attacks on people's inability to show up for a turn, when we have players TAKING their turns, but not finishing them is equally pathetic...
it's a sad day for this site and cc clandom when this kind of junk infects a challenge.
Agreed. Deliberate use of cheap tactics in a clan game, especially in the league final, is disgraceful. IA played the whole season and play-offs wonderfully or they wouldn't be in this position. Now to use a site glitch to gain tactical advantage is sad. Loki did well to stand up for the right in the beginning, but certainly turned tail quickly to back her clan's actions. That too is sad. Leadership means making the tough decisions and standing for what is right even if it hurts you in the process.
I echo Namor's thoughts on quitting CC. I've been in the long drawn out process of retirement now for a few months. What I've seen from top clans recently with regards to cheap tactics makes my decision that much easier. These kinds of discussions shouldn't even have to take place. Clans without honor should be stripped of their clan and those players using cheap tactics banned from participating in a clan.
How can any honourable clan hope to plan a campaign in a competition that allows this sort of cheating. It doesn't matter if this particular loophole is fixed or covered by the rules, for future competitions, because there is always going to be another loophole to be found. The only hope we have, is to expect every clan to stick to a code of conduct and the unwritten rules.
Let's not kid ourselves that any of us are far superior players to everyone else. At the end of the day, when 2 top-tier clans meet, they have pretty much a 50/50 chance of victory. We hope to increase our odds by choosing a map that we feel our strategy will give us an edge, over the oppositions lack of XP, on said map. But once they have done the same, it really just comes down to the luck of the dice, drop and first turn. But those odds can swing well beyond the 50/50 mark, if one clan are prepared to use cheap tactics. AoC are under no illusions that we are a better clan than our earlier opponents Empire & KoRT, we consider ourselves to be their equal and just happened to get a little more luck than they did, on the day... we beat them because they played an honest game.
What makes this really sad and depressing, is that most of IA played a blinder and would likely have won this without the cheating. In the end though, they have made any victory they may gain, a hollow one... poor show.