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Sick of blue numbers?

Postby natty dread on Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:21 am

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Re: Sick of blue numbers?

Postby Victor Sullivan on Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:26 pm

Lol, really?

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Re: Sick of blue numbers?

Postby natty dread on Fri Aug 19, 2011 2:38 am

Thanks Vicky for yet another brainless comment on an issue that goes way over your head.
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Re: Sick of blue numbers?

Postby TaCktiX on Fri Aug 19, 2011 8:34 am

Thanks natty for disparaging someone else's legitimate opinion.
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Re: Sick of blue numbers?

Postby zimmah on Fri Aug 19, 2011 8:40 am

natty_dread wrote:Thanks Vicky for yet another brainless comment on an issue that goes way over your head.


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Re: Sick of blue numbers?

Postby gimil on Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:56 am

This thread doesn't seem to be going anywhere constructive. In an attempt to get it back on track let me pitch a thought.

Personally I have experienced how many map makers have had a problem with the way the numbers of CC are coloured. That said though their is always a way through it. I don't know how huge an issue it really is to warrant a change, but then again, how difficult is it to change the HEX number of colour for the sake of a possible easy life?
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Re: Sick of blue numbers?

Postby natty dread on Fri Aug 19, 2011 12:42 pm

The thing is, the way the numbers are coloured, does not take at all in account the relative differences in perceived brightness of red, green & blue channels. The yellow numbers are ffff00, which my the most common way of calculating luminosity amounts to 90%, while 0000ff (or blue) only amounts to 10% luminosity.

Increasing the brightness of the blue numbers to at least 50% luminosity would be good, I can't see any downsides at all to it, it's a win-win situation... and it would make the life of mapmakers easier - it's stupid that we have to watch out for too dark backgrounds and whatnot only because of that one colour. All the other numbers would work fine even against black... but not blue.

TaCktiX wrote:Thanks natty for disparaging someone else's legitimate opinion.


LOL, really? :roll:
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Re: Sick of blue numbers?

Postby gimil on Fri Aug 19, 2011 1:31 pm

TaCktiX wrote:Thanks natty for disparaging someone else's legitimate opinion.


Funny actually, I sort of felt Victor Sullivan's (no offence intended) comment was more belittling... :geek:
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Re: Sick of blue numbers?

Postby natty dread on Fri Aug 19, 2011 2:21 pm

Funny, me too.
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Re: Sick of blue numbers?

Postby Victor Sullivan on Fri Aug 19, 2011 7:05 pm

*Sigh*

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Re: Sick of blue numbers?

Postby natty dread on Sat Aug 20, 2011 12:30 am

*HARRUMPH*

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Re: Sick of blue numbers?

Postby Victor Sullivan on Sat Aug 20, 2011 1:05 am

Are we going there now? Oh, dear...

I say something borderline that is a bit out-of-character and I get reamed for it. People that consistently do so (that is "in-character" for them) seem to get more slack. I just decided to *sigh* and move on, as I expect posting something like this won't do much, but there you go.

If you want my opinion on the matter, I think it's a bit silly. Changing the color of the blue could have its own negative effects, potentially on previously-made maps that have already done tweaks so that the blue numbers would be readable. I don't see why it's such a big deal to keep doing that. There are multiple solutions and it doesn't by any means limit creativity in the design aspect of maps.

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Re: Sick of blue numbers?

Postby natty dread on Sat Aug 20, 2011 5:27 am

Victor Sullivan wrote:If you want my opinion on the matter, I think it's a bit silly. Changing the color of the blue could have its own negative effects, potentially on previously-made maps that have already done tweaks so that the blue numbers would be readable. I don't see why it's such a big deal to keep doing that. There are multiple solutions and it doesn't by any means limit creativity in the design aspect of maps.


That's a load of crap.

Changing the blue numbers would not "have its negative effects" because the other numbers are already brighter than the blue numbers currently, and maps need to be able to show those as well. Furthermore, all the numbers have a black stroke, so making the fill colour bright is only sensible - it creates contrast and makes the numbers visible. Having a dark colour number with a dark stroke is a bad design choice and should be fixed.

Also, there are no "tweaks" being used to make blue numbers visible. What is being done is simply limiting the graphics of maps so that the places where numbers go aren't too dark, only to keep blue numbers visible. On maps that don't do this (eg. conquer man) blue numbers are notoriously hard to see.

Making the blue numbers the same level of luminosity as the other numbers would remove problems from existing maps, and allow more freedom to mapmakers on future maps. There's no downside to it at all, and plenty of upsides. Frankly, your condescending, belittling attitude towards this problem shows narrowminded and shortsighted thinking.
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Re: Sick of blue numbers?

Postby Victor Sullivan on Sat Aug 20, 2011 5:31 am

You assume too much, natty. I in no way intended to be condescending or belittling. I'm simply expressing my opinion, which is not in agreement with yours. Look, I don't want any controversy.

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Re: Sick of blue numbers?

Postby natty dread on Sat Aug 20, 2011 5:35 am

Victor Sullivan wrote:You assume too much, natty. I in no way intended to be condescending or belittling. I'm simply expressing my opinion, which is not in agreement with yours. Look, I don't want any controversy.

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Re: Sick of blue numbers?

Postby Victor Sullivan on Sat Aug 20, 2011 5:45 am

Natty, stop it, please.

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Re: Sick of blue numbers?

Postby natty dread on Sat Aug 20, 2011 6:12 am

Me, stop it? This is my thread and you keep posting in it.
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Re: Sick of blue numbers?

Postby TaCktiX on Sat Aug 20, 2011 12:23 pm

Are you two done? Because as far as I can see you both are having a whiny temper-tantrum when both of you could be busy working on a map or commenting. We get it that you both disagree with each other, stop arguing and let it go.
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Re: Sick of blue numbers?

Postby natty dread on Sat Aug 20, 2011 12:56 pm

TaCktiX wrote:Are you two done? Because as far as I can see you both are having a whiny temper-tantrum when both of you could be busy working on a map or commenting. We get it that you both disagree with each other, stop arguing and let it go.


This is also untrue. I'm only responding to critique in my own thread. Victor doesn't seem to want to engage in polite discourse, despite attempts on my behalf. That's ok, since no one is forcing him to post here.

The purpose of this thread was to call attention to the suggestion on the suggestions forum. Everyone who supports the cause of lightening the blue army numbers, please show your support in the appropriate place, ie. the suggestions thread. Everyone else... gfy. :mrgreen:

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Re: Sick of blue numbers?

Postby zimmah on Sat Aug 20, 2011 1:31 pm

can this treat be moved to flamewars?

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Re: Sick of blue numbers?

Postby TaCktiX on Sat Aug 20, 2011 2:08 pm

Well, I think the thread has served its purpose and is no longer producing a good discussion of the topic.

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