Kingdom of Denmark [Quenched]

[Flapcake]

Hi Flapcake,

Ii am finding that the graphics on your map are not quite coming together yet. Their is no consistent theme. However as a new map maker I am encouraged with your rate of development from your first draft to this current one. You are showing potential as a mapmaker, you just need to refine skills and artistic eye. And judging by you current development rate this shouldn't be a problem.

usually with map makers as new as yourself who are refining their skills I find it better to 'restart' a map than try to patch over the issues during your learning curve of map making. That would be my advice again here. However if you really don't want to restart the whole map, then I suggest this. Concentrate on making your map consistent around the graphics of the actual map area. This is by far your strongest aspect in this map. The background, legends, clip art etc don't really fit with this.

You get what I am saying?

Keep up the good work though!


gimil

Hi Gimil, thanks for your input.

I just do not quite understand why there should be a "consistent theme" ? there's plenty maps to play here on CC that do not have a theme, and yes there are indeed many who have one, but thats also what makes it is fun to find games here on CC, all people are different and the diversity of maps makes something for everyone here at CC, if all maps in terms of visuals and thematic content resembled each other here at CC, I do not think it would be the same success.

But I understand what you say, and there is a nother draft of more to come. Constructive criticism is always good, it has been noted

Flapcake

[natty dread]

I just do not quite understand why there should be a XXX? there's plenty maps to play here on CC that do not have a XXX

I took the liberty of modifying that quote... since you can actually put any map-related word in place of XXX there, and my response will still be valid...

There are maps on CC that have been made in the past, when the foundry was young and the standards for mapmaking were more lax. You shouldn't measure your work against old CC maps. Today, a consistent theme is considered important in a map. The older maps fall upon the "grandfather clause", ie. they didn't know better way back then, but today we do... so you don't have any reason not to make your map the best you possibly can.

[gimil]

Flapcake,

I use the term theme loosly. What I really meant was that your graphical consistency isn't quite there. Parts of your map do no fit together quite right.

[Flapcake]

I just do not quite understand why there should be a XXX? there's plenty maps to play here on CC that do not have a XXX

I took the liberty of modifying that quote... since you can actually put any map-related word in place of XXX there, and my response will still be valid...

There are maps on CC that have been made in the past, when the foundry was young and the standards for mapmaking were more lax. You shouldn't measure your work against old CC maps. Today, a consistent theme is considered important in a map. The older maps fall upon the "grandfather clause", ie. they didn't know better way back then, but today we do... so you don't have any reason not to make your map the best you possibly can.

still thats what makes CC maps/games versatile, old, new, doesn't matter, the maps can still be fun to play. Besides some of lates beta maps got no theme, they just country maps like mine.
My intentions are obvious to do the best I can to make this map

[natty dread]

Hmm, maybe you're misunderstanding what is meant by a theme.

What it means in this context is that your map has a consistent motif for the graphics, that all the graphical elements of your map (land, legend, text, etc) look like they belong together.

A country map can have a theme, and many do. Look at the Africa map... even though it is subpar graphically, it has a consistent theme. Macedonia is also a good example, Austro-Hungarian empire is another...

[Flapcake]

Hmm, maybe you're misunderstanding what is meant by a theme.

What it means in this context is that your map has a consistent motif for the graphics, that all the graphical elements of your map (land, legend, text, etc) look like they belong together.

A country map can have a theme, and many do. Look at the Africa map... even though it is subpar graphically, it has a consistent theme. Macedonia is also a good example, Austro-Hungarian empire is another...

yes you're right, I think that maybe it is some language barriers, theme in Danish means that something has a touch of something, eg. the theme could on my map of Denmark being Halloween and the map would then bear the imprint of ghosts and death.
I've also been looking at your London map (which looks really good) and in Danish, I would say that it has a continuous style / line, and if it can be described as a theme, I then understand what is meant by "continuous theme"

My english is poor, sry for that

[natty dread]

No worries, english isn't my 1st language either.

But you seem to be getting what is meant here... you don't have to get the graphics to be awesome right now, it's better to focus more on the gameplay on the early stages... however, for future reference, I think most problematic on your map, thematically, is that the legend and title don't quite seem to fit with the rest of the map. Also I still dislike the sea texture, but if others like it, maybe it's just me...

Keep up the good work though.

[Gillipig]

So far my only problem with this map is that if it gets done there will be two Nordic countries that has it's own map before Sweden ! Which makes no sense because we're the biggest country both in inhabitants and area. But apart from that I support the idea .

[QoH]

I'd suggest that you add in grey area of where Denmark connects to Germany. Right now it looks like ti's floating in the ocean.

[Flapcake]

So far my only problem with this map is that if it gets done there will be two Nordic countries that has it's own map before Sweden ! Which makes no sense because we're the biggest country both in inhabitants and area. But apart from that I support the idea .

Now the fact is that Denmark has put everything into account for Norway and Sweden, Norway was under Danish rule for many centuries, and Sweden were next pushed right up to Finland, and our language is from the Vikings (it was also us, Vikings) who you has unsuccessfully tried to copy, half England and Germany was devastated by the Vikings, they discovered America 500 years before columbus, Faroe Islands, Greenland to the west Indian islands, etc. etc. I am proud to be a Dane. hehe im only kidding
but we love our Swedish and Norwegian brothers and we have a strong unity in the north

[Flapcake]

I'd suggest that you add in grey area of where Denmark connects to Germany. Right now it looks like ti's floating in the ocean.

yes I think you're right, I just tryed if it could work that way

[Gillipig]

and our language is from the Vikings (it was also us, Vikings) who you has unsuccessfully tried to copy, half England and Germany was devastated by the Vikings, they discovered America 500 years before columbus, Faroe Islands, Greenland to the west Indian islands, etc. etc.

I think you should read up on your viking knowledge quite a bit my friend. The term viking is not exclusive to Danes! There was Norwegian, Swedish and Danish vikings. The Norwegian vikings primarily focused on Iceland, Greenland, new Newfoundland and the British Isles. Swedish vikings focused on Finland, Baltic states, Russia, Ukraine and went down to the black and Caspian seas. The Danish vikings focused on Germany, France, British isles and Spain. I don't know what the schools teach you about the viking age in Denmark but if they say that vikings refers to only Danes then your school system is almost as crappy as ours!
This is a map highlighting where the vikings build their settlements and raided/traded. The dark red part of the map is the area where we say the vikings originated from and as you can see it covers far from only danish territory!

[Flapcake]

and our language is from the Vikings (it was also us, Vikings) who you has unsuccessfully tried to copy, half England and Germany was devastated by the Vikings, they discovered America 500 years before columbus, Faroe Islands, Greenland to the west Indian islands, etc. etc.

I think you should read up on your viking knowledge quite a bit my friend. The term viking is not exclusive to Danes! There was Norwegian, Swedish and Danish vikings. The Norwegian vikings primarily focused on Iceland, Greenland, new Newfoundland and the British Isles. Swedish vikings focused on Finland, Baltic states, Russia, Ukraine and went down to the black and Caspian seas. The Danish vikings focused on Germany, France, British isles and Spain. I don't know what the schools teach you about the viking age in Denmark but if they say that vikings refers to only Danes then your school system is almost as crappy as ours!
This is a map highlighting where the vikings build their settlements and raided/traded. The dark red part of the map is the area where we say the vikings originated from and as you can see it covers far from only danish territory!

take it easy, it was a joke, but greate idea for a map you got there

[The Bison King]

This is starting to look really good, I'm going to go ahead and give this a sticky. Can you do me a favor and please post the most recent version into the original post.

[Flapcake]

This is starting to look really good, I'm going to go ahead and give this a sticky. Can you do me a favor and please post the most recent version into the original post.

New update: on PG 1. V9 - 28/08-2011