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Re: London [28.8.11]

Postby koontz1973 on Sun Aug 28, 2011 1:28 pm

natty_dread wrote:London is a dirty city full of whores and cutthroats.


WTF? London by no means a dirty city and is not full of whores and cutthroats, no idea on why you think it is and if that is your impression on the city, why the hell are you doing a map of it.

Sorry you feel that way about my home city.
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Re: London [28.8.11]

Postby natty dread on Sun Aug 28, 2011 1:49 pm

Don't take it personally. Most cities are, once you look past the surface and bling they put up for the tourists.

For that matter, I've decided I won't take stylistic advice for a map from people who live anywhere near it. They all too often have much too close a relationship with their city/country/province and an idealized view of it. All too often they'd like me to make my map in to some kind of bloody tourist advertisement.
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Re: London [28.8.11]

Postby Minister X on Sun Aug 28, 2011 3:16 pm

I think the overall problem cosmetically isn't London's greenness or its floating nature, but the lack of tonal contrast with the background. Try a much lighter background with more contrast in the skyline - closer to white and black than to dark-yellow-green and darker-yellow-green. The map itself is fine; the background detracts from it.
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Re: London [28.8.11]

Postby natty dread on Sun Aug 28, 2011 3:29 pm

Minister X wrote:I think the overall problem cosmetically isn't London's greenness or its floating nature, but the lack of tonal contrast with the background. Try a much lighter background with more contrast in the skyline - closer to white and black than to dark-yellow-green and darker-yellow-green. The map itself is fine; the background detracts from it.


Tonal contrast is not the only type of contrast you can use. That is simplistic thinking.

However, I am increasing the contrast I have, maybe this will make it more apparent...

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Re: London [28.8.11]

Postby koontz1973 on Mon Aug 29, 2011 9:22 am

natty_dread wrote:Don't take it personally.


Sorry natty, was just having a really shitty day, did not mean to take it out in your thread.

But my comment on why so dirty and grungy stands though. I mean that a fog like that has not been seen in London for a hundred years and the title is barely there. I can barely see your name, even with the glow. I can understand the style you are going for but it does seem a little over he top. Its as if you don't want people to see your name or even the title. The blue in the river is very bright compared to the rest so why not try to bring the red out in the flag and carry that over to the title.

Why not have the West in there as it is part of London which you have completely missed. Without it, you are geographically wrong. It would be easy to separate Hounslow, Ealing, Hammersmith, Kensington and Westminster. That gives you a 3 territ small continent in Hillingdon, Harrow and Brent. Put a motorway between Harrow and Barnet (M1) for an impassable. There are so many motorways, in London that you can use for impassables.
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Re: London [28.8.11]

Postby ironsij0287 on Mon Aug 29, 2011 11:19 am

Going back to the other day, I do prefer the river being cropped at the border like it appears now.
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Re: London [28.8.11]

Postby natty dread on Mon Aug 29, 2011 1:44 pm

koontz1973 wrote:The blue in the river is very bright compared to the rest


It's called contrast. The playable area is the main part of the map, therefore it has a higher saturation. All the rest are background elements, and thus secondary. Even the flag and title.

koontz1973 wrote:Why not have the West in there as it is part of London which you have completely missed. Without it, you are geographically wrong. It would be easy to separate Hounslow, Ealing, Hammersmith, Kensington and Westminster. That gives you a 3 territ small continent in Hillingdon, Harrow and Brent. Put a motorway between Harrow and Barnet (M1) for an impassable. There are so many motorways, in London that you can use for impassables.


This is a good idea. I'll run it by Bruceswar to see what he thinks.
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Re: London [28.8.11]

Postby Bruceswar on Tue Aug 30, 2011 2:29 am

I got to natty in PM. Go for it!
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Re: London [28.8.11]

Postby natty dread on Tue Aug 30, 2011 2:09 pm

Ok so here's the next iteration.

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Re: London [30.8.11]

Postby natty dread on Tue Aug 30, 2011 2:12 pm

Ps. other gimp users might appreciate the feat I accomplished on this map:

I actually thought of a use for the "dissolve" -layer mode!
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Re: London [30.8.11]

Postby natty dread on Tue Aug 30, 2011 3:56 pm

Oops... I forgot to redo the inner glows. Also adjusted the colour of the new bonus a bit.

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So what is keeping the draft stamp for this one? Should be pretty straight forward...
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Re: London [30.8.11]

Postby isaiah40 on Tue Aug 30, 2011 3:59 pm

Waiting on the FA's. They need more training/practice.
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Re: London [30.8.11]

Postby natty dread on Tue Aug 30, 2011 4:06 pm

isaiah40 wrote:Waiting on the FA's. They need more training/practice.


How much practice does one need to move a topic from one forum to another? :-s
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Re: London [30.8.11]

Postby isaiah40 on Tue Aug 30, 2011 4:08 pm

natty_dread wrote:
isaiah40 wrote:Waiting on the FA's. They need more training/practice.


How much practice does one need to move a topic from one forum to another? :-s


I want to make sure they know when a map is ready to be moved before they do it.
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Re: London [30.8.11]

Postby natty dread on Tue Aug 30, 2011 4:09 pm

Ok then. Carry on carrying on...
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Re: London [30.8.11]

Postby Victor Sullivan on Tue Aug 30, 2011 4:19 pm

Hm, I think perhaps the bonuses could stand to be adjusted:
  • Northwest: +2
    • It's the smallest bonus area on the map, so people would go after it simply for that. Plus, it's not in a central spot (like North Central, which also has two more territories) and it makes it and West really attractive (still 5 borders, but +8)
  • North Central: +3 √
  • Northeast: +4
    • 4 borders and easy access to the City, which wouldn't add a border, either.
  • West: +5 √
  • Southwest: +3 or +4
      4 borders, but Lambeth does bring it down to 3. With no real great expansion opportunities (aside from Lambeth), I could see this going either way.
  • Southeast: +3
    • 3 borders and easy access to the City, which wouldn't add a border, either.
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Re: London [30.8.11]

Postby natty dread on Tue Aug 30, 2011 4:31 pm

Maybe... those sound pretty good, although I'd rather keep Northeast at +5.
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Re: London [30.8.11]

Postby Victor Sullivan on Tue Aug 30, 2011 4:33 pm

natty_dread wrote:Maybe... those sound pretty good, although I'd rather keep Northeast at +5.

Fair enough, that was a little more iffy than the others. With 7 territories, it's borderline.

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Re: London [30.8.11]

Postby isaiah40 on Tue Aug 30, 2011 5:27 pm

I've stickied this for now, so hopefully one of the FA's will see this and move it. *hint, hint*
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Re: London [30.8.11]

Postby ironsij0287 on Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:20 pm

isaiah40 wrote:I've stickied this for now, so hopefully one of the FA's will see this and move it. *hint, hint*


Subtle. :P

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Re: London [30.8.11]

Postby natty dread on Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:23 pm

Tsk tsk... you forgot to unsticky. :p
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Re: London [30.8.11]

Postby TaCktiX on Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:58 pm

I have no idea what you're talking about natty, this whole "not unstickied" hogwash is just going to get you in trouble. ;)
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Re: London [30.8.11]

Postby isaiah40 on Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:00 pm

natty_dread wrote:Tsk tsk... you forgot to unsticky. :p


natty, you're getting just as bad as Sully. It's not stickied!!
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Re: London [30.8.11]

Postby natty dread on Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:42 pm

I have screenshots to prove it.
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Re: London [30.8.11]

Postby isaiah40 on Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:51 pm

Pics or it didn't happen!!
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