REAL FOG, not just FOG on paper...

[GoranZ]

Concise description:

• Best team becomes strongest team, weaker teams gang up, destroy strongest team beyond comeback... Game 9554744 and million other games with similar faith
• Make fog game REAL FOG or add another setting for this feature

Specifics/Details:

• Reduction of data showed in fog games about number of territories and bonuses of enemy players(teams)
  
  Currently we see this:
  Player X received 2 troops for holding ?
  Player X received 3 troops for holding ?
  Player X received 3 troops for 10 regions
  Player X assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from Player Y
  Player X assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from Player Z
  Player X assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from Player Z
  
  I propose we to see this:
  Player X received total of ? troops for holding ?
  Player X received ? troops for ? regions
  Player X assaulted ? territories ? and conquered it from Player Y
  Player X assaulted ? territories ? and conquered it from Player Z

How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:

• Players that played good will receive the deserved points instead of losing because of unofficial and unfair alliances...
• Standard games will not turn into team games in almost every game...
• Games with more then 2 teams wont turn out into games of team of teams in almost every game...
• Players(or teams) wont be forced to invite friends(or friendly teams) to level up the unfair playing... this is legal since the alliances are arranged on the game chat.
• CC will have real fog(if you want data you will have to make some reconnaissance and lose units as in RL or in vast majority of games)
• The proposal requires minimal programing(couple of hours for implementation and maintenance mode for update of game log)

[jefjef]

I support all suggs for foggier fog.

[mviola]

This needs to happen now.

[WILLIAMS5232]

i like this idea, and am all for it.

but what i don't like is how you suggest we're playing unfairly. you should include players tendencies into your brilliant play methods. if you don't like diplomacy play 2v2, 3v3, 4v4, etc......

[GoranZ]

i like this idea, and am all for it.

but what i don't like is how you suggest we're playing unfairly. you should include players tendencies into your brilliant play methods. if you don't like diplomacy play 2v2, 3v3, 4v4, etc......

Diplomacy play is one thing... getting real data without reconnaissance is another... its much harder to arrange something if you don't know if the player that proposes something has half of the map or just 1 territory... on top of everything, games with spoils will become much more interesting, same as Terminator games(you wont know if you killed someone until you take out his last territory)

but what i don't like is how you suggest we're playing unfairly

Its unfair for me but unfair is not the same as illegal... probably 99% of the players that will read my suggestion already encountered situation as the game I enlisted, so its nothing new to them or you.

[Gunn217]

He didn't say you said illegal. It's not even unfair. I support this proposal 100%, but weak teams ganging up on a strong team is not unfair and our alliance is not unofficial. I'll announce here that I would make an official alliance with anyone in any game that 1 team is absolutely dominating. Don't turn a great proposal into a platform to bash the strategy of 3 teams that are trying to survive against you in a single game. Hell, you started the damn thing!

[jefjef]

He didn't say you said illegal. It's not even unfair. I support this proposal 100%, but weak teams ganging up on a strong team is not unfair and our alliance is not unofficial. I'll announce here that I would make an official alliance with anyone in any game that 1 team is absolutely dominating. Don't turn a great proposal into a platform to bash the strategy of 3 teams that are trying to survive against you in a single game. Hell, you started the damn thing!

Calm down. This sugg is not in re of alliances. It's in re of FOG information that gives waaay to much information to be true fog. Goran may not have presented this the best way but it is a valid sugg that shouldn't get derailed.

[WILLIAMS5232]

Calm down.

alright, i just didn't like how our game was referenced with the whole "unfair" connotation. i play a numerous amount of these games ( 8 player, no spoils, foggy, standard/doubles ) and they generally go this way. and if they didn't, i wouldn't play them. but i'm not bitter and i'll drop it

with that said i agree this is a very nice idea. and i'm sure most fog players would love to see this. whether they play diplomatically or basic heads up games.

but i think it would be hard to do away with the current foggy setting. plus it's nice to have a semi-foggy option. more is usually better. also, changing the tell of how many regions was attacked by each player seems impossible since the log is updated once per each action. other than that this would be a very nice addition to conquer club.

hopefully there will be enough support generated for this.

[chapcrap]

I think that this is already supposed to be happening as part of the new Game Log. Am I right about that? Either way, I support it.

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[jammyjames]

great suggestion, this would make fog play so much better

[ad10r3tr0]

I agree 100%... this needs to happen asap, unfortunately it will be at least a year

[chapcrap]

I agree 100%... this needs to happen asap, unfortunately it will be at least a year

Or 6.

[GoranZ]

I agree 100%... this needs to happen asap, unfortunately it will be at least a year

Or 6.

sooner the better, probably over half(just guessing... no one can really know for sure) of foed players in CC are as a result of the issue I pointed out... and that is a lot of players that cant join games.

With my proposal I'm trying to make fog games more realistic and with that more interesting, and on top of that some of the reasons for foeing players will disappear... I bet that over 90% of the players that like playing in fog will support this suggestion.

also, changing the tell of how many regions was attacked by each player seems impossible since the log is updated once per each action. other than that this would be a very nice addition to conquer club.

hopefully there will be enough support generated for this.

It is easy... only the first region from defeated player will be shown(change only in presentation...), every other after that it wont... well I'm hoping CC to implement this very soon so I can win our game ... jk I can win without this , you only need to give me a chance

[DJ Teflon]

I'm into it - big problem is if someone drops a bonus first turn but that should be prevented by xml anyway really.

Perhaps we should have 4 option - Sunny, Moonligt, Mist & Total Fog.

[chapcrap]

I'm into it - big problem is if someone drops a bonus first turn but that should be prevented by xml anyway really.

Perhaps we should have 4 option - Sunny, Moonligt, Mist & Total Fog.

Would Mist be Fog as it is now?