Istanbul [Quenched]

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A little traveling around, will make another update in next week.

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         <border>Kadikoy</border>
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         <border>Atasehir Ataturk Mh.</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>432</smallx>
         <smally>388</smally>
         <largex>578</largex>
         <largey>510</largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>
   <territory>
      <name>Atasehir Ataturk Mh.</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Saray Mh.</border>
         <border>Atakent Mh.</border>
         <border>Fetih Mh.</border>
         <border>Uskudar</border>
         <border>Zuhtupasa Mh.</border>
         <border>Atasehir</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>493</smallx>
         <smally>383</smally>
         <largex>659</largex>
         <largey>506</largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>
   <territory>
      <name>Atasehir</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Atasehir Ataturk Mh.</border>
         <border>Fetih Mh.</border>
         <border>Kadikoy</border>
         <border>Aydinevler Mh.</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>486</smallx>
         <smally>438</smally>
         <largex>644</largex>
         <largey>575</largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>
   <territory>
      <name>Aydinevler Mh.</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Kadikoy</border>
         <border>Atasehir</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>479</smallx>
         <smally>468</smally>
         <largex>643</largex>
         <largey>620</largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>
   <territory>
      <name>Kadikoy</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Aydinevler Mh.</border>
         <border>Atasehir</border>
         <border>Fetih Mh.</border>
         <border>Zuhtupasa Mh.</border>
         <border>Fenerbahce Mh.</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>422</smallx>
         <smally>443</smally>
         <largex>565</largex>
         <largey>583</largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>
   <territory>
      <name>Fenerbahce Mh.</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Kadikoy</border>
         <border>Zuhtupasa Mh.</border>
         <border>Zeytinlik Mh.</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>370</smallx>
         <smally>454</smally>
         <largex>491</largex>
         <largey>596</largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>
   <territory>
      <name>Zuhtupasa Mh.</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Fenerbahce Mh.</border>
         <border>Kadikoy</border>
         <border>Fetih Mh.</border>
         <border>Unalan Mh.</border>
         <border>Uskudar</border>
         <border>Ayazma Mh.</border>
         <border>Atasehir Ataturk Mh.</border>
         <border>Mollafenari Mh.</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>342</smallx>
         <smally>393</smally>
         <largex>456</largex>
         <largey>516</largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>
   <territory>
      <name>Ayazma Mh.</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Uskudar</border>
         <border>Zuhtupasa Mh.</border>
         <border>Kuloglu Mh.</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>320</smallx>
         <smally>316</smally>
         <largex>427</largex>
         <largey>413</largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>
   <!-- Map By ISN2 -->
</map>

[natty dread]

The edges of the minimap still look jagged...

The land area edges could use smoothing, there's many places with unnecessary small wiggles... like that thing on Zeytinlik, and the coast of Piri Pasa...

Also, the text is a bit hard to read on the small version.

[tokle]

Are you sure your font doesn't have the Turkish letters? At least some of them are quite standard.
ü is at U+00FC
ğ is at U+011F
ö is at U+00F6
ş is at U+015F
ç is at U+00E7

The font is named "Journal", and any other hand writing fonts that I have, are having same problem, standard windows fonts like Tahoma support those characters but they are not good fonts for a hand wrote text on a postal card.

I meant the text on the actual map, not the postcard.

A lot of the placenames are misspelled. Does no-one else than me have a problem with that?

[delibekir]

Nice work!

I live in Turkey and some typos in territory names caught my eye, so I checked all of them on the map. Correct ones are:
Marmantepe Mh. -> Harmantepe Mh.
Kermal Pasa Mh. -> Kemal Pasa Mh. (with Turkish characters: Kemal Paşa Mh.)
Gosku Mh. -> Goksu Mh. (Turkish: Göksu Mh.)
Meviana Mh. -> Mevlana Mh.
(bonus name) Guztepe -> Goztepe (Turkish: Göztepe)

I also have some minor suggestions.
Territories with "Mh." are small districts and these names may not be known much.
So I'm suggesting some replacements where it is possible (these are shorter names too):

Muradiye Mh. -> "Yildiz Sarayi" or only "Yildiz" (saray=palace. this is a known place. Turkish: Yıldız)
Mollafenari Mh. -> Topkapi (Turkish: Topkapı)
Beş Telsiz Mh. -> Zeytinburnu
Harmantepe Mh. -> Kagithane (Turkish: Kağıthane)

I also agree with tokle that the original territory names with Turkish letters would be better.
I can help finding necessary fonts if you are willing to change them, just send me a PM.
For example the Journal font I found on the web already supports some of the Turkish letters like Ü, Ö, Ç.

[ender516]

Happily, if you can put the right Turkish characters here, then we know it can be done in the XML as well, so the names will be correct in the drop-down menus and the game logs. So I hope the search for a suitable font is successful.

[lostatlimbo]

I didn't see this discussed yet, but I'm curious why you chose the colors you did.

I really want to like this map, but it is far too bright to look at for any extended period of time. There's no way I could play it. Between the bright neon orange/yellow bonus highlights and the bright red map borders, my retinas short circuit.

The nobodies posted a colorblind test with issue previously and it doesn't seem that you've addressed that either, so I'm hoping you'll reconsider that palette!

$.02

[cairnswk]

I wouldn't mind betting that ISN2 has fininshed the map and that is all we are going to get.

[ender516]

Well, if you are able to use BOB, you can reduce the opacity of a map, which might prevent eyestrain. I use it mostly to emphasize the troop numbers.

[thenobodies80]

I agree with natty_dread about the text on the small version. I'm worried that when the image will be compressed the font will result really hard to read.
Another advice I want to give you is to save your images as png instead of jpg, in this way I can pass to lackattack a lossless format file.

I suggest to try to refine a bit the coastline of Etiler Mh. and Besiktas, maybe also Piri Pasa, as suggested by natty.
The minimap, it certainly helps to solve the colorblind issue, but it seems to me something done in 5 mins of work; no offence, but the different font sizes, the different directions of the text....I'm pretty sure think you can do something better than that.
Another way could be to go back and work on colors, now you have something like #fe7819 for Fatih, you can use a darker color....maybe #9b4609; for gaziosmanpasa, where you have something like #76ca1c, you can use a color like #a3cda0.
Find two different colors will allow you to go back and have the old legend that was much better than the minimap you have now!

A final note about the direction of the text, you have a couple of names that go in a different directions, to be precise the "Mh" of "Etiler Mh" and also "Inebey Mh".

Looking forward your next update
Nobodies

[MrBenn]

What does Mh. stand for? Given that it's on pretty much every territory, is it actually required?

[ender516]

What does Mh. stand for? Given that it's on pretty much every territory, is it actually required?

Quoting from page 1:

Could someone please enlighten me as to the meaning of the "Mh." abbreviation?

I'm not sure but it may be the abbreviation for "Mahale" which means something like a district in English ...
I extracted all names from Google Maps so I'm not sure if they are well spelled or not. You can check it here:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Istanbul&hl=en&ie=UTF8&view=map&ftid=0x14caa7040068086b:0xe1ccfe98bc01b0d0&ftt=37&geocode=FdawcQIdQCe6AQ&split=0&sll=41.061768,28.713881&sspn=0.518036,1.485149&iwloc=A&ved=0CA8QpQY&sa=X&ei=jKT_Tc9xje-OB-GZ-JUI

[DiM]

i say remove the "Mh."
it looks rather bad because of the repetition.

i had a similar problem on steamworks where "shire" was present in almost all terits. so i simply removed it.


oh and Mh indeed stands for mahale. we have the same word in romanian except it's spelled mahala and it means neighbourhood, sector, district etc

[natty dread]

The XML is checked and is valid.