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### Re: California [24 Jun 2011] 5.3 Beta Files

Yes, you have to remember when you play 1v1, the drop is essentially a 1v1v1 drop, with one player being neutral. (Starting positions will alter the math here a bit since they are divided between the two real players, but I don't think this map has any.)

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### Re: California [24 Jun 2011] 5.3 Beta Files

Maybe there's a solution to fix the "too" big number of neutrals....let me do some math

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### Re: California [24 Jun 2011] 5.3 Beta Files

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swimmerdude99 wrote:I really dislike the amount of nuetrals in a one on one setting, makes the drop LITERALLY decide the game. No dice even effect it.

Perhaps I code the cities as starting positions? This would solve the issue. Thoughts, TBK?

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Starting Positions will help to have less neutral on the map but doing that, in all 4p games each player will start with 12 territories.
What do you prefer?
Usually I'm not so happy to have those type of starting numbers on a map, but we should consider that probably the weakest players will attack the stronger.

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### Re: California [24 Jun 2011] 5.3 Beta Files

There are 52 territories with 9 coded neutral cities. If the cities switch to starting positions and code them so that each player starts with one, it would solve the problem, but, of course, it doesn't do as much for 1v1s. I would certainly set the max at 2, no higher, to avoid dropped city bonuses. I'm fine with either solution.

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### Re: California [24 Jun 2011] 5.3 Beta Files

So? TBK what's your thoughts on this?

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### Re: California [24 Jun 2011] 5.3 Beta Files

thenobodies80 wrote:So? TBK what's your thoughts on this?

hmm... I don't think they are necessary because:

ender516 wrote:Yes, you have to remember when you play 1v1, the drop is essentially a 1v1v1 drop, with one player being neutral. (Starting positions will alter the math here a bit since they are divided between the two real players, but I don't think this map has any.)

and:

Victor Sullivan wrote:There are 52 territories with 9 coded neutral cities. If the cities switch to starting positions and code them so that each player starts with one, it would solve the problem, but, of course, it doesn't do as much for 1v1s. I would certainly set the max at 2, no higher, to avoid dropped city bonuses. I'm fine with either solution.

-Sully

I guess my point is that many neutrals are annoying (and ever present in 1V1s) but they don't affect the final outcome of the match. We could add in the start positions but I don't think it would serve much of a point.

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### Re: California [24 Jun 2011] 5.3 Beta Files

Started an 8 player game. Much better.
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### Re: California [24 Jun 2011] 5.3 Beta Files

.... just saying....

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### Re: California [24 Jun 2011] 5.3 Beta Files

Uhhhh... What?

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### Re: California [24 Jun 2011] 5.3 Beta Files

Google Doodle honouring the discoverer of vitamin C; all that fruit looks very Californian; I see where MrBenn is coming from.

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### Re: California [24 Jun 2011] 5.3 Beta Files

ender516 wrote:Google Doodle honouring the discoverer of vitamin C; all that fruit looks very Californian; I see where MrBenn is coming from.

It's Cool Mrbenn is from a frozen rainy wasteland, he can actually only speculate on what a warm Mediterranean clime is like.

hmm... that seemed like maybe a needless burn on England... especially considering the fact that I'm from Ohio, the capital of temperate seasonal changes...

...

Why am I talking about climates?

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### Re: California [24 Jun 2011] 5.3 Beta Files

The Bison King wrote:
ender516 wrote:Google Doodle honouring the discoverer of vitamin C; all that fruit looks very Californian; I see where MrBenn is coming from.

It's Cool Mrbenn is from a frozen rainy wasteland, he can actually only speculate on what a warm Mediterranean clime is

I've never been to Siberia.

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### Re: California [24 Jun 2011] 5.3 Beta Files

MrBenn wrote:
The Bison King wrote:
ender516 wrote:Google Doodle honouring the discoverer of vitamin C; all that fruit looks very Californian; I see where MrBenn is coming from.

It's Cool Mrbenn is from a frozen rainy wasteland, he can actually only speculate on what a warm Mediterranean clime is

I've never been to Siberia.

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### Re: California [24 Jun 2011] 5.3 Beta Files

The U.K. may be rainy, but frozen it ain't, and sitting at the end of the Gulf Stream, it's a lot more moderate than most locales at its latitude.

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ender516 wrote:The U.K. may be rainy, but frozen it ain't, and sitting at the end of the Gulf Stream, it's a lot more moderate than most locales at its latitude.

Yes but every year this happens:

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### Re: California [24 Jun 2011] 5.3 Beta Files

That was 7 January (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/8447758.stm), it's called winter. All europe is in that way...(http://www.socialdust.com/images/neve-italia-2010.jpg)
Anyways, we can go back on topic before this thread becomes a weather forecast topic?

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thenobodies80 wrote:That was 7 January (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/8447758.stm), it's called winter. All europe is in that way...(http://www.socialdust.com/images/neve-italia-2010.jpg)
Anyways, we can go back on topic before this thread becomes a weather forecast topic?

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That's me frozen somewhere in that heart shaped block of ice.

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### Re: California [24 Jun 2011] 5.3 Beta Files

Lol, don't you have territory names to fix, TBK?

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### Re: California [24 Jun 2011] 5.3 Beta Files

Right right, I guess thats enough about the weather:

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Here's the changes I'm proposing

Richmond=>Napa Valley
Napa Valley=>Santa Rosa
Morro Bay=>Pismo Beach
Elderado=>Jackson(really not sure about that one if people have any suggestions for a better name there)

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### Re: California [24 Jun 2011] 5.3 Beta Files

The name changes look good to me.

I have a somewhat radical suggestion: How about switching the colors of the Central Valley and Sierra Nevada regions? The Central San Joaquin Valley is fertile and rich in agriculture, and might look better in Green.
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### Re: California [24 Jun 2011] 5.3 Beta Files

TBK, could you post the small version (once you've figured out all the new territory names)? I may need to make coordinate adjustments.

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### Re: California [24 Jun 2011] 5.3 Beta Files

Vlasov wrote:The name changes look good to me.

I have a somewhat radical suggestion: How about switching the colors of the Central Valley and Sierra Nevada regions? The Central San Joaquin Valley is fertile and rich in agriculture, and might look better in Green.

Are you joking? You've never been to California, have you?

The San Joaquin Valley looks like this:

The mountains of Sierra Nevada look like this:

I've driven through both sections countless times and can say that, if the color of the regions are meant to represent the land at all, BK got it spot on.

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### Re: California [24 Jun 2011] 5.3 Beta Files

MrBenn wrote:

.... just saying....

WORD

Never understood why there was so much resistance to this.

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### Re: California [24 Jun 2011] 5.3 Beta Files

The Bison King wrote:Right right, I guess thats enough about the weather:

Click image to enlarge.

Here's the changes I'm proposing

Richmond=>Napa Valley
Napa Valley=>Santa Rosa
Morro Bay=>Pismo Beach
Elderado=>Jackson(really not sure about that one if people have any suggestions for a better name there)

FYI, the blue territory in the Bay Area legend still says Napa Valley instead of Santa Rosa.

Re: Jackson - what about San Andreas?

Stanislaus would be another option, as would Camanche. Both are prominent names in that area.

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### Re: California [24 Jun 2011] 5.3 Beta Files

Good looking map and represents my state well. I'd only suggest that Zzyzx is an EXTREMELY tiny and obscure place. How about Mojave, Joshua Tree, or Fort Irwin as the name for that region? (most of that area IS Fort Irwin, which is why it's a big blank on maps)
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