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tokle wrote:The New Crusade and myself totally support this suggestion.
It looks to me like mets' issues have been addressed, only that jef needs to state clearly in the opening post exactly how, and by whom, it is proposed that the medals should be awarded.
tokle wrote:The New Crusade and myself totally support this suggestion.
It looks to me like mets' issues have been addressed, only that jef needs to state clearly in the opening post exactly how, and by whom, it is proposed that the medals should be awarded.
greenoaks wrote:tokle wrote:The New Crusade and myself totally support this suggestion.
It looks to me like mets' issues have been addressed, only that jef needs to state clearly in the opening post exactly how, and by whom, it is proposed that the medals should be awarded.
i want to be on record as for this medal but against 1 being handed out to every clan & every clan being limited to 1.
there was a head mod who recently gave out medals for showing up in Live Chat. is that all that is required for a medal from team CC? if so most clan members would qualify. imo-
mcshanester29 wrote:I think this would be a great idea as there are a lot of people in our clan who really go the extra mile and organize everything from clan wars to inner clan battles and more. This would be a great way for them to publicly be thanked for their hard work. I think 1 a year is perfect and having to be submitted to the CD's will work great.
Great idea!!!
drunkmonkey wrote:I'm filing a C&A report right now. Its nice because they have a drop-down for "jefjef".
jefjef wrote:
I would have criteria to be met for this medal.
For the clan to have been active for a year.
For the clan to have had a minimum number of wars and to have won one in that year.
For the medal recipient to have been a member of that clan for a year.
For that recipient to have participated in minimum number of wars and have a win.
jefjef wrote:Now greenoaks - To NOT limit it to 1 would be akin to getting a medal for showing up in live chat now wouldn't it and it would make it less meaningful for those that get it. I will not be changing this sugg for more than 1 medal
tokle wrote:The New Crusade and myself totally support this suggestion.
It looks to me like mets' issues have been addressed, only that jef needs to state clearly in the opening post exactly how, and by whom, it is proposed that the medals should be awarded.
a Clan Contribution medal should be an across the board award. if no one in a Clan measures up, no one in that Clan should get one.
drunkmonkey wrote:I'm filing a C&A report right now. Its nice because they have a drop-down for "jefjef".
jefjef wrote:Inserted the following into the original suggestion:
CRITERIA:
For the clan to have been active for a year +.
For the clan to have had a minimum of 6 medal qualifying wars and to have won at least one in that year.
For the medal recipient to have been a member of that clan for a year +.
For that recipient to have participated in a minimum of 6 medal qualifying wars.
Clans then earn 1 medal to issue to whom they decide, by whatever method they decide to make that decision, deserves an award for their contributions.a Clan Contribution medal should be an across the board award. if no one in a Clan measures up, no one in that Clan should get one.
If a clan does not measure up - IE min of 6 medal qualifying wars and winning at least one of them then they don't get one. That is now posted in the sugg.
what about criteria for who is eligible for the award once these bare minimum qualifications are met? Should we leave it entirely up to a clan's discretion to choose who they want
Also, a number of people have made it clear that a principal motivation for this is that it takes a lot of work to run clan wars. In my mind, that is simply part of the leadership role of the clan, and isn't really a "special contribution," in the sense that every successful clan has such dedicated leaders. Perhaps a different way to reward them is a medal similar to the tournament contribution medal.
drunkmonkey wrote:I'm filing a C&A report right now. Its nice because they have a drop-down for "jefjef".
jefjef wrote:If a clan does not measure up - IE min of 6 medal qualifying wars and winning at least one of them then they don't get one. That is now posted in the sugg.
eddie2 wrote:nice you got a full sug now on the first post. but can i add something to your sug.jefjef wrote:If a clan does not measure up - IE min of 6 medal qualifying wars and winning at least one of them then they don't get one. That is now posted in the sugg.
i think 6 wars are a little bit 2 steep for the smaller clans an average war can last up to 2 months and with the clan league where clans dont take on challenges while the opening round happens(these do not count as medal awards) you will be taking some very active clans out of the running for this medal.. also take into account summer holidays where some clans dont do wars. i would prefer to see 4 wars as the total amount. this making it 1 war every 3 months. this would make it more fair on the smaller clans where they have less people to do all the clan stuff needing done.
drunkmonkey wrote:I'm filing a C&A report right now. Its nice because they have a drop-down for "jefjef".
jefjef wrote:Here you are contradicting yourself. You are saying a leadership role in a clan is not really a "special contribution".
Then you are calling for an award for their contributions that is similar to a tourney award.
CRITERIA:
For the clan to have been active for a year +.
For the clan to have had a minimum of 6 medal qualifying wars* and to have won at least one in that year.
For the medal recipient to have been a member of that clan for a year +.
For that recipient to have participated in a minimum of 6 medal qualifying wars*.
*Participation in a Medal qualifying clan tournament counts towards a medal war.
Clans then earn 1 medal to issue to whom they feel deserves recognition, by whatever method the clan uses to arise at that decision, an award for their contributions.
Metsfanmax wrote:jefjef wrote:Metsfanmax wrote:This sets an interesting precedent -- normal users are generally not allowed to determine who is eligible to earn a site medal. Accepting this suggestion would mean Team CC no longer has full control over who receives these recognitions. I think this part of it needs to be addressed before this can be submitted.
What is there specifically to address mets? Many of us have thus far showed support to be able to recognize and acknowledge the contributions of those that make our clan experience a very enjoyable and successful part of our CC experience.
I can't imagine why CC would have an issue with that.
The issue is not with the content of the suggestion but the framework in which it must occur. Submitting this suggestion is tantamount to saying that it is OK for people who have no real ties to leadership or volunteering on the site to control how the site apportions its official recognitions. This is problematic because the medal system was never intended to be controlled by (or be used for) a specific group of people. In a general sense, it has only ever been used to award medals that all players in the CC community were eligible for, if they chose to get involved at the time (special achievement medals notwithstanding, but these are still given out by Team CC only).
So I'm not currently convinced that players should receive site recognition for helping out a specific, exclusive community on the site, and I'm currently opposed to giving normal users (not on Team CC) discretion over who gets official site recognition. These definitely need to be addressed.
Metsfanmax wrote:jefjef wrote:Here you are contradicting yourself. You are saying a leadership role in a clan is not really a "special contribution".
Then you are calling for an award for their contributions that is similar to a tourney award.
When I said it's not a special contribution, I didn't mean it shouldn't be rewarded! I just meant that it should be rewarded for a different reason. All I am saying is that if this is mostly going to be used to reward the people who organize logistics for clan wars, then we should create a separate medal for those people and then re-evaluate whether a "special" contribution medal is warranted, for people who go above and beyond what is normally expected out of a clan member. If people recognize that this really is a clan member (as opposed to leader) recognition, then no problem.
drunkmonkey wrote:I'm filing a C&A report right now. Its nice because they have a drop-down for "jefjef".
jefjef wrote:Now as far as who each clan decides that they would award this too, be it a member or a leader, that should be their choice. Basically what you are saying is any awards going to a member is cool and fine. If the clan decides one of it's leaders deserve it than it is wrong.
jefjef wrote:look. My vision on this is not for a leader (unless that leader is doing everything). It is for the members. Be it Ministers or War or recruiters or trainers or team captains.
Metsfanmax wrote:jefjef wrote:Now as far as who each clan decides that they would award this too, be it a member or a leader, that should be their choice. Basically what you are saying is any awards going to a member is cool and fine. If the clan decides one of it's leaders deserve it than it is wrong.jefjef wrote:look. My vision on this is not for a leader (unless that leader is doing everything). It is for the members. Be it Ministers or War or recruiters or trainers or team captains.
Forget it. You are terrible at reading comprehension. I'll let one of the other Suggs mods deal with this one.
drunkmonkey wrote:I'm filing a C&A report right now. Its nice because they have a drop-down for "jefjef".
jefjef wrote:
EDIT: Now to alleviate a couple of fair concerns that there may be to much restriction I dropped the minimums to 5. That should guarantee an achievable number and also not just be a medal giveaway.
eddie2 wrote:jefjef wrote:
EDIT: Now to alleviate a couple of fair concerns that there may be to much restriction I dropped the minimums to 5. That should guarantee an achievable number and also not just be a medal giveaway.
i still think this is 2 high due to the fact of the cup leagues maybe if you include them as counting as one war it might work better. think of it if we drew thota or kort these would not count as medal worthy challenges. look at tffs they are a 10/11 player clan last time i looked. but are low on ladder. they face a top clan and win it would not be a medal challenge due to the ladder system but they would carry on in the cup. this clan only hae the resorces to compete in 1 challenge at a time.
ps still 100 percent behind this. just think it needs a tweaking to make it fair on smaller clans
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