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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [4.9.11]

Postby Bruceswar on Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:37 am

Gillipig wrote:
natty_dread wrote:On second though, this map doesn't play all that well for 1v1 in the first place... sooo maybe I should just chalk this one up as "not a good 1v1 map"... I mean if the map isn't that great for 1v1 in the first place, why f*ck up the gameplay of the other game types just to make it into a mediocre 1v1 map instead of a bad one?

Thoughts anyone?


It's maybe a bit too unbalanced in 1v1. I think it could be easily fixed by just making us start with 11 territs instead of 12. I don't see how making 1v1 games start with 11 regions will mess up the gameplay of larger games so there's no harm in making that correction!



it is not the 12 starting points... it is the +2 that really tosses this map for a loop.
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [4.9.11]

Postby HighlanderAttack on Tue Sep 20, 2011 6:34 pm

natty_dread wrote:On second though, this map doesn't play all that well for 1v1 in the first place... sooo maybe I should just chalk this one up as "not a good 1v1 map"... I mean if the map isn't that great for 1v1 in the first place, why f*ck up the gameplay of the other game types just to make it into a mediocre 1v1 map instead of a bad one?

Thoughts anyone?


Just started a 1v2 game so not too much input but if possible 11 starting points does make a better 1v1 game. I will let you know how it goes
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [4.9.11]

Postby natty dread on Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:07 pm

The thing is, the map has lots of neutrals already... especially in the less-than-8 player games, where a lot of the capitals start neutral... and to get the map to start with 11 territories in a 2-player game, I would have to add 2 additional neutrals on the map. I dislike excessive neutrals since they tend to be ignored by players and often turn into roadblocks...

However... I'm still in the middle of testing the map myself, I don't have much time for CC currently so I can't play a lot of games at once... so I'll see how it goes, if it seems feasible to add those neutrals then I'll consider it...
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [4.9.11]

Postby Odeuminus on Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:10 pm

I really like the map and enjoy playing it.I just have a proposition that since officially both provinces,Vojvodina and Kosovo were part of republic of Serbia how about getting for instance extra point for each province if one holds Serbia?
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [4.9.11]

Postby Peter Gibbons on Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:26 pm

Has the notion of merely a +1 for every two capitals been previously discussed? Seems like it would balance things a little more but perhaps I'm not thinking it through.
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [4.9.11]

Postby istanbul39 on Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:24 pm

I like this map but too many easy bonuses. In simple one on one games, it is nothing to have 8 deployment by round 2 by simply taking 1 from opponent and 1 neutral in strategic places across the board. Impossible to come back on this map.

Love the map! Tweek the bonus structure. Nice job.
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [4.9.11]

Postby initus on Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:54 pm

natty_dread wrote:I dislike excessive neutrals since they tend to be ignored by players and often turn into roadblocks...


True, if they are 3 troop neutrals. Have you considered 1 troop neutrals? I think that would solve the problem and make people more likely to grab up the capitals. Though there might even be a mad dash at the beginning of the game to secure as many as one can, I'm not sure if you want that.
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [4.9.11]

Postby AndyDufresne on Mon Sep 26, 2011 1:24 pm

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natty_dread wrote:I dislike excessive neutrals since they tend to be ignored by players and often turn into roadblocks...


True, if they are 3 troop neutrals. Have you considered 1 troop neutrals? I think that would solve the problem and make people more likely to grab up the capitals. Though there might even be a mad dash at the beginning of the game to secure as many as one can, I'm not sure if you want that.


2 Neutral troops have worked well in Fractured China for their capitals.


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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [4.9.11]

Postby natty dread on Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:33 am

I'm considering the following changes...

Capital bonus: +2 for first 2, +1 for each additional 2

Neutral 2:s to 2 territories: Slovenian littoral & Niksic.
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [4.9.11]

Postby natty dread on Thu Oct 06, 2011 2:47 am

natty_dread wrote:I'm considering the following changes...

Capital bonus: +2 for first 2, +1 for each additional 2

Neutral 2:s to 2 territories: Slovenian littoral & Niksic.


No opinions, anyone?
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [4.9.11]

Postby isaiah40 on Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:50 am

Capital bonus: +2 for first 2, +1 for each additional 2 --> Let's see what happens with this.

Neutral 2:s to 2 territories: Slovenian littoral & Niksic. --> A for sure thing.
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [4.9.11]

Postby natty dread on Fri Oct 21, 2011 4:34 am

OK, here's the update!

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XML: http://www.fileden.com/files/2010/2/7/2 ... /yugo2.xml

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Capital bonus is now 2 for 2, 3 for 4, 4 for 6 and 6 for 8.

Niksic & Slovenian Littoral now start neutral, so 2 player games will now start with 11 territories each - hopefully the map will now be more playable for 2 player games.
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [21.10.11]

Postby Gillipig on Fri Oct 21, 2011 6:30 am

How about the number of starting territs, are they still 12?
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [21.10.11]

Postby natty dread on Fri Oct 21, 2011 6:42 am

Look at my post, read what it says
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [21.10.11]

Postby Gillipig on Fri Oct 21, 2011 6:58 am

ok good it should be more 1v1 friendly now.
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [21.10.11]

Postby natty dread on Fri Oct 21, 2011 7:00 am

Well, as soon as the updates are uploaded.
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [21.10.11]

Postby thenobodies80 on Fri Oct 21, 2011 3:50 pm


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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [21.10.11]

Postby thenobodies80 on Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:50 pm

Updated! :)

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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [21.10.11]

Postby Industrial Helix on Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:10 am

Realy enjoying this map... Nice Work Natty!
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [21.10.11]

Postby natty dread on Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:19 am

Thanks :)
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [21.10.11]

Postby AndyDufresne on Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:30 am

Yeah, I've got a quads game going on it, and so far so good. :D


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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [21.10.11]

Postby natty dread on Mon Oct 31, 2011 3:21 am

The map seems much more balanced for 1v1 now, although I only have one game going for now... anyone have any more input on that front?
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [21.10.11]

Postby AndyDufresne on Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:26 am

natty_dread wrote:The map seems much more balanced for 1v1 now, although I only have one game going for now... anyone have any more input on that front?

Since I mainly play 1vs1, I'll start up a game.


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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [21.10.11]

Postby thenobodies80 on Mon Nov 07, 2011 1:34 pm

natty_dread wrote:The map seems much more balanced for 1v1 now, although I only have one game going for now... anyone have any more input on that front?


I played a couple of games, it doesn't seems bad to me.
But I'll start some others just to be sure ;)

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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [21.10.11]

Postby AndyDufresne on Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:26 pm

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natty_dread wrote:The map seems much more balanced for 1v1 now, although I only have one game going for now... anyone have any more input on that front?


I played a couple of games, it doesn't seems bad to me.
But I'll start some others just to be sure ;)

I've just mostly finished a bunch of 1vs1 games, and for the most part, I think it has been pretty balanced. Only had 1 game where it felt like things were a little unbalanced, but I think it was more a fluke.


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