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Re: Rank Restrictions / Make Pelo war "Difficult"

Postby jammyjames on Sun Sep 04, 2011 3:45 pm

actually, qwert you will find that many people use that map for farming purposes, look at the 5 man games... so many new recruits with people farming them, i however requesting it to be changed am showing that i would like people not to be farming new recruits, therefore my intentions are for the community.. if i did not care i would continue to play this map with the settings i like continually abusing the NR's.. I for one feel that all sorts of conquest map should be removed until 5 games have been completed..
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Re: Rank Restrictions / Make Pelo war "Difficult"

Postby emelar on Wed Sep 14, 2011 10:26 am

Pelo difficult? On my first game there Blitz wasn't able to kill me off until waaaaayyyy into the 2nd round. So, yeah, it's difficult, but in support of lower players having access to playing those higher players who will join a public game - I learned more in that one game from seeing what Blitz did than I have on any other map from a single game. My team won the next two games (against different players) using that. It makes the point exactly that playing higher level players can teach the lower levels well and more quickly than against equals who share the same less effective strategies.

Of course, I'm partial to the SoC attitude... "teach a cook today, lose to an officer tomorrow". If you want to play more challenging players, make them into challenging players.

If not, go for private games or join the last 1 or 2 spots on a public one after seeing who is in the game and send an invitation. You can even make your own game and keep an open invite, then cancel the invite if the mix turns undesirable in your eyes.
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Re: Rank Restrictions / Make Pelo war "Difficult"

Postby rockfist on Wed Sep 14, 2011 11:22 am

I don't find the Pelo map to be particularly difficult. Never have. I'd say low rankers have a better chance at that map than they do on 2.1 for example.
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Re: Rank Restrictions / Make Pelo war "Difficult"

Postby jammyjames on Wed Sep 14, 2011 1:12 pm

emelar wrote:Pelo difficult? On my first game there Blitz wasn't able to kill me off until waaaaayyyy into the 2nd round. So, yeah, it's difficult, but in support of lower players having access to playing those higher players who will join a public game - I learned more in that one game from seeing what Blitz did than I have on any other map from a single game. My team won the next two games (against different players) using that. It makes the point exactly that playing higher level players can teach the lower levels well and more quickly than against equals who share the same less effective strategies.

Of course, I'm partial to the SoC attitude... "teach a cook today, lose to an officer tomorrow". If you want to play more challenging players, make them into challenging players.

If not, go for private games or join the last 1 or 2 spots on a public one after seeing who is in the game and send an invitation. You can even make your own game and keep an open invite, then cancel the invite if the mix turns undesirable in your eyes.


In regards to this, i completely agree with what you are saying, however i do not feel pelo war should be available for 4, 5, 6 + player games.
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Re: Rank Restrictions / Make Pelo war "Difficult"

Postby hmsps on Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:55 pm

9793747 this is exactly why you should either be able to set rank restrictions or even rating restrictions to stop utter tools joining your teams.
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Re: Rank Restrictions / Make Pelo war "Difficult"

Postby chapcrap on Thu Sep 22, 2011 6:14 pm

Another way to combat this is to allow the foe list to be used to foe everyone under a certain rank. Or even over a certain rank (If you're low and don't want to go against Colonels, etc.) Can the foe list be altered to perform this?

If the foe list can be altered, it would nice to have separate foe categories. Foe people from chat, forums and for games.
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Re: Rank Restrictions / Make Pelo war "Difficult"

Postby jammyjames on Fri Sep 23, 2011 6:08 am

You would get abuse of the system this way, people would foe players above a certain rank so they could farm the crap out of low rankers!
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Re: Rank Restrictions / Make Pelo war "Difficult"

Postby chapcrap on Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:31 am

jammyjames wrote:You would get abuse of the system this way, people would foe players above a certain rank so they could farm the crap out of low rankers!

Yes, if implemented I would have maximums and minimums. You can only block a certain number of ranks/points away from you.

If you want to block someone higher than you, you have to block someone who is 2 ranks above.

So, if you're a major, you can only block Brigs and above. If you a captain, you can only block Colonels and above. I don't really think that farming would be possible that way. It would just allow you to play with people who are more your own rank.
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Re: Maximum and/or Minimum Rank on Create and Find

Postby Razz54 on Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:13 am

Search IS my friend. Wanted to search about this suggestion before I made it myself...

Could someone explain exactly why has it been rejected multiple times? It's a fantastic idea, and one I find myself wishing for every time I search for new games. Obviously the players here want it - that's why it's been suggested multiple times.

I hold a middle rank, and gloss over search results with games that are filled with lower-ranked members. Adding a feature to help me pick the level of competition I want would be outstanding.


Seeing as many of us pay to use this site, enjoy it, and some wish to see this implemented, perhaps a vote among the premium members would be in order. Keeping the majority of the clientele happy seems like a good direction to go.
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Re: Maximum and/or Minimum Rank on Create and Find

Postby TheForgivenOne on Fri Oct 21, 2011 5:42 pm

Razz54 wrote:Search IS my friend. Wanted to search about this suggestion before I made it myself...

Could someone explain exactly why has it been rejected multiple times? It's a fantastic idea, and one I find myself wishing for every time I search for new games. Obviously the players here want it - that's why it's been suggested multiple times.

I hold a middle rank, and gloss over search results with games that are filled with lower-ranked members. Adding a feature to help me pick the level of competition I want would be outstanding.


Seeing as many of us pay to use this site, enjoy it, and some wish to see this implemented, perhaps a vote among the premium members would be in order. Keeping the majority of the clientele happy seems like a good direction to go.


Many people have suggested the Resign/Forfeit button, but doesn't mean it's gonna happen. Heck, people could ask that they get unlimited games for free, doesn't mean it will happen.

This would just segregate ranks, which from what I remember reading, the webmaster doesn't want. If you want a game with a certain rank, you can try going into the Callouts forum and post in the 1600+ game thread.
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Re: Maximum and/or Minimum Rank on Create and Find

Postby chapcrap on Fri Oct 21, 2011 6:26 pm

TheForgivenOne wrote:
Razz54 wrote:Search IS my friend. Wanted to search about this suggestion before I made it myself...

Could someone explain exactly why has it been rejected multiple times? It's a fantastic idea, and one I find myself wishing for every time I search for new games. Obviously the players here want it - that's why it's been suggested multiple times.

I hold a middle rank, and gloss over search results with games that are filled with lower-ranked members. Adding a feature to help me pick the level of competition I want would be outstanding.


Seeing as many of us pay to use this site, enjoy it, and some wish to see this implemented, perhaps a vote among the premium members would be in order. Keeping the majority of the clientele happy seems like a good direction to go.


Many people have suggested the Resign/Forfeit button, but doesn't mean it's gonna happen. Heck, people could ask that they get unlimited games for free, doesn't mean it will happen.

This would just segregate ranks, which from what I remember reading, the webmaster doesn't want. If you want a game with a certain rank, you can try going into the Callouts forum and post in the 1600+ game thread.

If he doesn't want to segregate ranks, then why allow the stickied threads in the callout forum?

I support this. Playing people your own rank gives you a better, more fun game. Especially if you both know the map well. I wouldn't use this for all games by any means. Especially not team games. I don't really see how it would be abused that much.
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Fair Games between Ranks

Postby socxc9 on Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:55 pm

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How nice, do you think, is it when you see a game that looks like this? The cadet is crossed out and the field marshal has won the game. Fair? I don't think so. The field marshal has no business fighting cadets and the cadet has no business losing points. I propose that, as part of the "Start a Game" form, a range of ranks can be put in to help cadets fight cadets, and field marshals fight field marshals.

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A box can be put in on the form to check if you want to put in a range. Then, there will be two drop down lists of Conquer Club ranks. You can select the lower limit, for example, for cadet and the upper limit to private 1st class. Then, only players who are between the ranks of cadet and private 1st class can see the game while it is still waiting for players.

How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:
To make games more fair, and more competitive.
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Re: Fair Games between Ranks

Postby TheForgivenOne on Sat Oct 29, 2011 6:41 pm

socxc9 wrote:Concise description:
How nice, do you think, is it when you see a game that looks like this? The cadet is crossed out and the field marshal has won the game. Fair? I don't think so. The field marshal has no business fighting cadets and the cadet has no business losing points. I propose that, as part of the "Start a Game" form, a range of ranks can be put in to help cadets fight cadets, and field marshals fight field marshals.

Specifics/Details:
A box can be put in on the form to check if you want to put in a range. Then, there will be two drop down lists of Conquer Club ranks. You can select the lower limit, for example, for cadet and the upper limit to private 1st class. Then, only players who are between the ranks of cadet and private 1st class can see the game while it is still waiting for players.

How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:
To make games more fair, and more competitive.


Been suggested before. Try searching for something before posting it.
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Re: Fair Games between Ranks

Postby chapcrap on Sat Oct 29, 2011 8:27 pm

TheForgivenOne wrote:Been suggested before. Try searching for something before posting it.

It's been suggested a lot. By a lot of different people, different ranks. Freemiums, premiums. A lot of people want this option. I don't care what lack wants or if there is already a section in Callouts, this is something that obviously would improve the game for a lot of players.
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Drop game option, if a certain point difference is present

Postby cookie0117 on Sun Oct 30, 2011 9:02 am

Drop game option, if a certain point difference is present

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It would have to be an option to drop games on the first turn if a certain point difference was present. Say 500 points in either direction.

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You can make a game and if the player joining has a point difference of 500 or more from you, you can boot them on the first turn only with the point difference being the reason. This would stop the game and no mark on either persons record.

How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:
This would then allow anyone to play anyone but would allow you to not play NR's or anyone inexperienced enougth to get accused of farming regularly, without you doing it with your full knowledge and so being quilty. Although a few games against low ranked people or someone you know who has just joined would be able to happen. Also tournies would not have problem with a manadory stop on games with a certain point difference. If low ranked players made games, they too would be able to play against people with similar points and not have very experienced, high point players joining up and creaming them all the time.

An end to dibate over wheather someone was farming or simply had a map and settings that only a NR would join, also a better chance for NR's to play against someone who is not going to wipe the floor with them and so put them off future games and the site in general.

I have spent awhile looking through previous posts and not seen this before, although life is too short to read the whole section!!
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Re: Drop game option, if a certain point difference is prese

Postby chapcrap on Sun Oct 30, 2011 2:38 pm

Another person looking for a way to have an even, fun game.

lack, do you hear all of these requests?
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Re: Fair Games between Ranks

Postby socxc9 on Sun Oct 30, 2011 4:12 pm

Otherwise i have to go through game finder and search through all the games to find one with a low enough rank for me. Last time I started a game, a Colonel joined and killed me in the first round. You can see that in my games, if you care.
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Re: Drop game option, if a certain point difference is prese

Postby Metsfanmax on Sun Oct 30, 2011 6:09 pm

In principle this is exactly the same as the Rank Filter suggestion which has been rejected numerous times in various forms and will continue to be rejected as long as there is a belief in a non-exclusionary atmosphere on this site.
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Re: Drop game option, if a certain point difference is prese

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Sun Oct 30, 2011 6:18 pm

Are you saying you don't wish to take a risk?

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Re: Fair Games between Ranks

Postby Metsfanmax on Sun Oct 30, 2011 9:14 pm

I will say that an option for low ranked, new players to exclude established players probably has few drawbacks -- if you want to play your first few games against low rankers until you get the hang of it, you should be able to do so. We just won't implement an option where it's available to everyone for any game.
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Re: Drop game option, if a certain point difference is prese

Postby TheForgivenOne on Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:24 am

Does the game automatically kick them out? Or do you get the option? because what happens if you're opponent starts first? I could see people stopping the game based solely on the fact their opponent had an amazing drop or relatively good dice if you have the choice.
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Re: Drop game option, if a certain point difference is prese

Postby cookie0117 on Mon Oct 31, 2011 5:58 am

TheForgivenOne wrote:Does the game automatically kick them out? Or do you get the option? because what happens if you're opponent starts first? I could see people stopping the game based solely on the fact their opponent had an amazing drop or relatively good dice if you have the choice.


After a person has signed up to your game you have to ok the game if the point difference is present, then it starts. So starting position and the drop would not be present until the game has been ok'ed. Then no one can use that infrmation to decide i to play or not.

I put 500 in as an arbitory number.

There could be a cut off for lieutant, so if you are both above 1600 the option is removed.
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Re: Drop game option, if a certain point difference is prese

Postby cookie0117 on Mon Oct 31, 2011 6:13 am

Metsfanmax wrote:In principle this is exactly the same as the Rank Filter suggestion which has been rejected numerous times in various forms and will continue to be rejected as long as there is a belief in a non-exclusionary atmosphere on this site.


Although there is no exclusionary atmosphere on the site, there are exclusionary rules which people can fall foul of through no fault of their own. It has to be decided by a matter of opinion if some is farming or not. This option would allow anyone to play anyone but if they had a large number of NR or low ranked players join up they could stop the games and so a claim of farming, or knowing allow it and then it would be easy to find people who are choosing to play NRs and not just having them sign up. This wil help protect experienced players while not limiting them in any way.

Also NRs and other low ranked players will be able to play other people who my be more their level of experience on certain maps and settings.

The rank filter will only allow the option to play between set levels, I propose that if its outside of a set level then the game can be dropped, all game will be joinable by anyone. Also with the addition of a cut of of 1600, so if both player are above this the option is removed, it will serve to protect everyone.
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Re: Drop game option, if a certain point difference is prese

Postby Metsfanmax on Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:50 am

cookie0117 wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:In principle this is exactly the same as the Rank Filter suggestion which has been rejected numerous times in various forms and will continue to be rejected as long as there is a belief in a non-exclusionary atmosphere on this site.


Although there is no exclusionary atmosphere on the site, there are exclusionary rules which people can fall foul of through no fault of their own. It has to be decided by a matter of opinion if some is farming or not. This option would allow anyone to play anyone but if they had a large number of NR or low ranked players join up they could stop the games and so a claim of farming, or knowing allow it and then it would be easy to find people who are choosing to play NRs and not just having them sign up. This wil help protect experienced players while not limiting them in any way.

Also NRs and other low ranked players will be able to play other people who my be more their level of experience on certain maps and settings.

The rank filter will only allow the option to play between set levels, I propose that if its outside of a set level then the game can be dropped, all game will be joinable by anyone. Also with the addition of a cut of of 1600, so if both player are above this the option is removed, it will serve to protect everyone.


It is a widely known problem that the two principles of non-exclusionary atmosphere and no farming lead to a huge gray area when it comes to this sort of thing. My point is just that we need to resolve the principle first, before implementing a tool.
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Re: Fair Games between Ranks

Postby socxc9 on Mon Oct 31, 2011 5:47 pm

Metsfanmax wrote:I will say that an option for low ranked, new players to exclude established players probably has few drawbacks -- if you want to play your first few games against low rankers until you get the hang of it, you should be able to do so. We just won't implement an option where it's available to everyone for any game.

Yes, that's actually more what I had in mind.
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