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Re: Drop game option, if a certain point difference is prese

Postby chapcrap on Mon Oct 31, 2011 6:37 pm

Metsfanmax wrote:In principle this is exactly the same as the Rank Filter suggestion which has been rejected numerous times in various forms and will continue to be rejected as long as there is a belief in a non-exclusionary atmosphere on this site.

How about all of the stickied topics in the Callouts Forum? That seems like the site promoting exclusionary principles to me.

It seems like the site already supports this, why not just embrace it?
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Re: Drop game option, if a certain point difference is prese

Postby Metsfanmax on Mon Oct 31, 2011 8:05 pm

chapcrap wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:In principle this is exactly the same as the Rank Filter suggestion which has been rejected numerous times in various forms and will continue to be rejected as long as there is a belief in a non-exclusionary atmosphere on this site.

How about all of the stickied topics in the Callouts Forum? That seems like the site promoting exclusionary principles to me.

It seems like the site already supports this, why not just embrace it?


If you want to create private games with people you know, you're always welcome to. The principle is that public games should always be just that -- public.
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Re: Maximum and/or Minimum Rank on Create and Find

Postby Razz54 on Wed Nov 02, 2011 11:09 am

TheForgivenOne wrote:

Many people have suggested the Resign/Forfeit button, but doesn't mean it's gonna happen. Heck, people could ask that they get unlimited games for free, doesn't mean it will happen.

This would just segregate ranks, which from what I remember reading, the webmaster doesn't want. If you want a game with a certain rank, you can try going into the Callouts forum and post in the 1600+ game thread.


Obviously unlimited games for free won't happen. Let's stick with using reasonable requests as examples. Resign would be nice, but you know it would be abused for stat-padding, so that being denied is totally understandable.

I basically want a feature to automatically do what I already do manually.
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Re: Why is there no ratings blocker??

Postby faramund on Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:08 am

This is why I stopped playing - I'm checking in for the first time in 2 years to see if this has changed. I guess it hasn't - I got sick of almost being able to tell who would win based on 1) is there someone ranked higher than everyone else, or 2) if there's a tie, then which good player has the most newbie's next to them.

If CC is worried about this feature leading to too few open games being available - then I would be happy with a compromise where maybe you couldn''t play two ratings blocked games in a row - and your first game can't be a ratings blocked gamw.
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Re: Why is there no ratings blocker??

Postby Dako on Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:59 am

I am moving this to suggs with shadow link of 72h.
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Re: Why is there no ratings blocker??

Postby PLAYER57832 on Sat Nov 12, 2011 3:44 pm

faramund wrote:This is why I stopped playing - I'm checking in for the first time in 2 years to see if this has changed. I guess it hasn't - I got sick of almost being able to tell who would win based on 1) is there someone ranked higher than everyone else, or 2) if there's a tie, then which good player has the most newbie's next to them.

If CC is worried about this feature leading to too few open games being available - then I would be happy with a compromise where maybe you couldn''t play two ratings blocked games in a row - and your first game can't be a ratings blocked gamw.

A lot has changed, most particularly how you play various maps and styles.

The real question is why you would expect to win more when you keep playing the same way. If you keep losing then, its because that is the level where you are playing those particular settings. Try something different. Try other maps, other settings. If you left 2 years ago, Nuke spoils, manual deployment were not even options. Or, try the cook's forum to learn the basic standard maps like the classic. If you like that kind of map, it is a good way to be competetive. (I personally don't like classic).
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Re: Drop game option, if a certain point difference is prese

Postby PLAYER57832 on Sat Nov 12, 2011 4:18 pm

chapcrap wrote:Another person looking for a way to have an even, fun game.

lack, do you hear all of these requests?

Except rank does not really give you that information. Besides, too many higher ranked people will just refuse to play the lower ranks, meaning it will be even harder to climb the ladder.
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Re: Drop game option, if a certain point difference is prese

Postby chapcrap on Sat Nov 12, 2011 4:26 pm

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chapcrap wrote:Another person looking for a way to have an even, fun game.

lack, do you hear all of these requests?

Except rank does not really give you that information. Besides, too many higher ranked people will just refuse to play the lower ranks, meaning it will be even harder to climb the ladder.

I disagree. WIth rank segregation, it would be easier to climb the ladder.

If you have a pool of 100 players all ranked the same, the better players will rise to top and increase in rank, thus getting to play with the next group up. This would happen with all of the groups.

This isn't just speculation. This is from years of playing Yahoo! games like Spades and that's how it works there. If they didn't have a point cap at 3500 on Yahoo, people would have a ridiculous amount of points.
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Re: Drop game option, if a certain point difference is prese

Postby PLAYER57832 on Sat Nov 12, 2011 5:07 pm

chapcrap wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:
chapcrap wrote:Another person looking for a way to have an even, fun game.

lack, do you hear all of these requests?

Except rank does not really give you that information. Besides, too many higher ranked people will just refuse to play the lower ranks, meaning it will be even harder to climb the ladder.

I disagree. WIth rank segregation, it would be easier to climb the ladder.

If you have a pool of 100 players all ranked the same, the better players will rise to top and increase in rank, thus getting to play with the next group up. This would happen with all of the groups.

This isn't just speculation. This is from years of playing Yahoo! games like Spades and that's how it works there. If they didn't have a point cap at 3500 on Yahoo, people would have a ridiculous amount of points.

I have played those other games, also for years.. and I have played CC for several years. Spades has nothing to do with CC.

The reason rank matters little here is not the scoring, its the fact that we have so many different maps. Only if you play the same maps, styles with people who play those same maps, styles consistantly AND you play enough to overshadow the natural luck factor, only then does it really matter.

To compare a team, esc spoils on classic map with a 6 player assassin, no spoils on Fuedal or a 1 vs 1 with Nuke spoils on Waterloo, etc. ... they just don't compare.

Even if you have the exact same settings, you only get a real skill difference once you have played quite a few games. 100 with the same person, sure. !00 with different people on different maps.. no way!
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Re: Fair Games between Ranks

Postby betiko on Sun Nov 13, 2011 2:37 pm

i think it s a very good idea.
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Re: Fair Games between Ranks

Postby anonymus on Sun Nov 13, 2011 2:48 pm

Metsfanmax wrote:I will say that an option for low ranked, new players to exclude established players probably has few drawbacks -- if you want to play your first few games against low rankers until you get the hang of it, you should be able to do so. We just won't implement an option where it's available to everyone for any game.


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Re: Fair Games between Ranks

Postby gordon1975 on Sun Nov 13, 2011 3:49 pm

just join games last,then you play whatever rank you want,problem solved. TRA DA!!
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Re: Fair Games between Ranks

Postby Qwert on Sun Nov 13, 2011 3:55 pm

you have option called >private games<, there you can create game,and invite all low ranks for you.
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Re: Fair Games between Ranks

Postby PLAYER57832 on Sun Nov 13, 2011 8:02 pm

socxc9 wrote:Concise description:
How nice, do you think, is it when you see a game that looks like this? The cadet is crossed out and the field marshal has won the game. Fair? I don't think so. The field marshal has no business fighting cadets and the cadet has no business losing points. I propose that, as part of the "Start a Game" form, a range of ranks can be put in to help cadets fight cadets, and field marshals fight field marshals.


You assume rank equals skill. It doesn't unless you stick to the same types of maps, the same style. (same spoils option, same game type, etc.)

Beyond that, poorer players playing good players is a way to learn. If you only play people who are your equal or worse, how will you ever improve?

That said, I have advocated some kind of very broad limits, optional, in suggestions. So have other people. These suggestions have always been turned down. I suggest you go back and look at those threads for the reasons.
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Re: Fair Games between Ranks

Postby perchorin on Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:11 am

PLAYER57832 wrote:
socxc9 wrote:Concise description:
How nice, do you think, is it when you see a game that looks like this? The cadet is crossed out and the field marshal has won the game. Fair? I don't think so. The field marshal has no business fighting cadets and the cadet has no business losing points. I propose that, as part of the "Start a Game" form, a range of ranks can be put in to help cadets fight cadets, and field marshals fight field marshals.


You assume rank equals skill. It doesn't unless you stick to the same types of maps, the same style. (same spoils option, same game type, etc.)

Beyond that, poorer players playing good players is a way to learn. If you only play people who are your equal or worse, how will you ever improve?

That said, I have advocated some kind of very broad limits, optional, in suggestions. So have other people. These suggestions have always been turned down. I suggest you go back and look at those threads for the reasons.

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Re: Fair Games between Ranks

Postby natty dread on Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:56 am

Rank restrictions are pointless precisely because rank does not reflect skill accurately.

That said, if it's something a majority of players want, it should be implemented. I mean, you can already create private games, and you can already choose who you play against, so giving people the option to create rank-restricted games probably wouldn't mean that all the games would suddenly become rank-restricted. There would still be people who would create games that are open to everyone, just like there are still public games even though you can create private ones.

Hm, maybe the rank-restriction option should be restricted to premium players, like private games are now.
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Re: Drop game option, if a certain point difference is prese

Postby rhp 1 on Wed Nov 23, 2011 7:28 pm

i can't take this crap anymore... start a game someone joins... If they suck, beat em down... if you can't then you have no reason to complain in the first place....
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Re: Drop game option, if a certain point difference is prese

Postby wildwilliam on Wed Nov 23, 2011 7:43 pm

You could use the callouts forum. Create a private game and only give the password to people you want to play.
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Ratings Lock to Join Games?

Postby northeastern on Tue Nov 29, 2011 9:30 am

I'm not sure if this would work, could be done, or if its even been tried before for that matter. But I'm wondering if when you start a game, one of the setting options could be a minimum rating to join. :?: I think we've all had a bad experience with a new player who's just trying things out and decides its not for him or a straight troublemaker that seems to be sabotaging games, or a player- who through no fault of their own- is totally clueless. These players dont have ratings or are rated low for a reason. A piece of me tells me there is a reason why it hasnt been done already. I'm interested in your thoughts my Brothers and Sisters of the dice!
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Re: Ratings Lock to Join Games?

Postby zimmah on Tue Nov 29, 2011 9:42 am

a lot of players want it, but the admins dont want it.
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Re: Ratings Lock to Join Games?

Postby barackattack on Tue Nov 29, 2011 9:59 am

Divide players up according to ranking? And then what... Non-premium players penned into their own area of the site? Female players given 'junior' status in any team match they play and reduced influence in decision making? Work camps for Cooks who wish to remain on this site?
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Re: Ratings Lock to Join Games?

Postby owenshooter on Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:59 am

why don't you go to suggestions where this belongs and where it has been suggested a multitude of times...-el Jesus negro
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Re: Ratings Lock to Join Games?

Postby northeastern on Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:49 am

My apologies that this is in the wrong section. I wasnt sure if this was an actual suggestion or not. More of a weighing of pros and cons I guess.
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Re: Ratings Lock to Join Games?

Postby zimmah on Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:31 pm

barackattack wrote:Divide players up according to ranking? And then what... Non-premium players penned into their own area of the site? Female players given 'junior' status in any team match they play and reduced influence in decision making? Work camps for Cooks who wish to remain on this site?


and this is coming from someone with an avatar saying equality is for ugly losers?
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Re: Ratings Lock to Join Games?

Postby barackattack on Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:48 pm

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barackattack wrote:Divide players up according to ranking? And then what... Non-premium players penned into their own area of the site? Female players given 'junior' status in any team match they play and reduced influence in decision making? Work camps for Cooks who wish to remain on this site?


and this is coming from someone with an avatar saying equality is for ugly losers?


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