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Re: Pot Mosbi [22.10.11] V6 - legend adjustments

Postby AndyDufresne on Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:47 am

It might be worthwhile to adjust the color of the Viles so it doesn't correspond to the Waigani Ponds. For a bit I thought those were a part of the bonus, since it took me a bit to locate all of the vile territories, and I noticed the larger blue areas over the smaller ones.


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Re: Pot Mosbi [25.10.11] V6 - legend adjustments

Postby cairnswk on Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:36 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:It might be worthwhile to adjust the color of the Viles so it doesn't correspond to the Waigani Ponds. For a bit I thought those were a part of the bonus, since it took me a bit to locate all of the vile territories, and I noticed the larger blue areas over the smaller ones.
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Ah, Andy, to me those 2 colours are miles apart. But i will adjust something so they can't be mistaken.

Andy, please f5 to see that adjustment in v6 below
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Re: Pot Mosbi [25.10.11] V6 - legend adjustments

Postby Gillipig on Tue Oct 25, 2011 9:10 am

I love the impassables in this map! Most mapmakers have a hard time with the trees, but I must say they look brilliant already.
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Re: Pot Mosbi [25.10.11] V6 - legend adjustments

Postby cairnswk on Mon Oct 31, 2011 4:36 pm

Gillipig wrote:I love the impassables in this map! Most mapmakers have a hard time with the trees, but I must say they look brilliant already.

Yeh gillipig, thanks, I'm pretty happy with them also. the mountains around PM around low and flat but not peaked as opposed to mountains in the rest of the country which are still not peaked but much higher.
The trees do look good and indicative of this area.
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Re: Pot Mosbi [25.10.11] V6 - legend adjustments

Postby AndyDufresne on Tue Nov 01, 2011 9:08 am

Regarding the impassable legend, the glow or fuzziness around the text is a little hard. Maybe go with the style of text you have in the bonus legend.

The killer neutrals mentioned in the legend are the solawaras and pasis? What does Walters connect to?

The bonus legend takes some getting use to. Some of the continents have recognizable shapes, and others are closer to one another. It might be just that the large map is tall, which means there is a touch of scroll between looking over the legend and looking at the top of the map for corresponding bonus zones. The small map may not have such a problem.

Looking at the game play, it looks like every tribe is set up access to a easy/middle range bonus zone. Highland, Asaro, and Enga might have some of the better expansion possibilities while limiting borders. Motu might fit into that group too.

Hm, best of luck.


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Re: Classic Cities :Pot Mosbi [25 Oct] V6

Postby rmt333 on Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:36 am

very nice map...nice job. its got my useless vote =D>
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Re: Classic Cities :Pot Mosbi [25 Oct] V6

Postby Victor Sullivan on Fri Nov 11, 2011 4:43 pm

Ah! I totally forgot to post this: http://www.fileden.com/files/2010/12/18 ... Mosbi1.xml

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Re: Classic Cities :Pot Mosbi [25 Oct] V6

Postby isaiah40 on Fri Nov 11, 2011 6:07 pm

Aren't you a little early for that Sully? Everything looks good to me so far. Does anyone else have any other gameplay related concerns, before I stamp it?
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Re: Classic Cities :Pot Mosbi [25 Oct] V6

Postby Victor Sullivan on Sat Nov 12, 2011 12:55 pm

isaiah40 wrote:Aren't you a little early for that Sully? Everything looks good to me so far. Does anyone else have any other gameplay related concerns, before I stamp it?

I made that months ago when this map was just in PMs between cairns and me.

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Re: Pot Mosbi [25.10.11] V6 - legend adjustments

Postby cairnswk on Sat Nov 12, 2011 7:12 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:Regarding the impassable legend, the glow or fuzziness around the text is a little hard. Maybe go with the style of text you have in the bonus legend.

Done
The killer neutrals mentioned in the legend are the solawaras and pasis? What does Walters connect to?

Fixed, i had simply forgot to move the army holder to connect to the line :oops:

The bonus legend takes some getting use to. Some of the continents have recognizable shapes, and others are closer to one another. It might be just that the large map is tall, which means there is a touch of scroll between looking over the legend and looking at the top of the map for corresponding bonus zones. The small map may not have such a problem.

Ah Andy, this is the small map. 892 x 800 :)

Looking at the game play, it looks like every tribe is set up access to a easy/middle range bonus zone. Highland, Asaro, and Enga might have some of the better expansion possibilities while limiting borders. Motu might fit into that group too.
Hm, best of luck.
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Yes, but because others will be starting in those areas also, they'll still have to battle it out for supremacy
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Re: Classic Cities :Pot Mosbi [13 Nov] V7

Postby cairnswk on Sat Nov 12, 2011 7:24 pm

rmt333 wrote:very nice map...nice job. its got my useless vote =D>

thanks rmt333 for dropping in.
Vote, what vote, oh you mean support - well thanks. pleased you like it.

isaiah40 wrote:Aren't you a little early for that Sully? Everything looks good to me so far. Does anyone else have any other gameplay related concerns, before I stamp it?

Yes i do, i need to process the probability drop tool before you go stamping.

Until then, here is V7....with some small changes as suggested by Andy.

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Re: Classic Cities :Pot Mosbi [22 Nov] V8 Gameplay

Postby cairnswk on Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:24 am

104 regions - 3 killer neutrals and i neutral on Tokarara + 8 neutrals in front of each tribe = 92 regions.

Why the neutral in front of tribes?
To stop quick elimination of each player's tribe...it is a condition that you must hold your tribe otherwise you will be eliminated.
What value should this be?
Well to start, i have set this at 7 neutrals on Version 8...but that can be adjusted if thought to be too high.

I have done a count of the regions directly between each tribe around the board.
Jiwiki <-> Chimbu = 6
Chimbu <-> Enga = 7
Enga <-> Highland = 5
Highland <-> Asaro = 7
Asaro <-> Hulli = 7
Hulli <-> Iwan = 8
Iwan <-> Motu = 9
Motu <-> Jiwiki = 8

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Version 8 showing neutrals in front of tribes set at 7
+ a couple of toned down colours
+ moved the Iwan Tribe to arrive in Kila Kila (makes the distance between Iwan and Hulli larger)

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Re: Classic Cities :Pot Mosbi [22 Nov] V8 Gameplay

Postby AndyDufresne on Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:29 am

cairnswk wrote:104 regions - 3 killer neutrals and i neutral on Tokarara + 8 neutrals in front of each tribe = 92 regions.

Why the neutral in front of tribes?
To stop quick elimination of each player's tribe...it is a condition that you must hold your tribe otherwise you will be eliminated.
What value should this be?
Well to start, i have set this at 7 neutrals on Version 8...but that can be adjusted if thought to be too high.

I have done a count of the regions directly between each tribe around the board.
Jiwiki <-> Chimbu = 6
Chimbu <-> Enga = 7
Enga <-> Highland = 5
Highland <-> Asaro = 7
Asaro <-> Hulli = 7
Hulli <-> Iwan = 8
Iwan <-> Motu = 9
Motu <-> Jiwiki = 8


Hm, I understand your reasoning for the large neutral, but it also kind of stifles easy expansion into natural bonus zones. If I was the Huli tribe for instance, I might be disappointed that to get my bonus zone of 3 regions, I'd have to take out 7 neutrals early on. Hm, but I'll give it some thought.


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Re: Classic Cities :Pot Mosbi [22 Nov] V8 Gameplay

Postby Victor Sullivan on Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:41 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:
cairnswk wrote:104 regions - 3 killer neutrals and i neutral on Tokarara + 8 neutrals in front of each tribe = 92 regions.

Why the neutral in front of tribes?
To stop quick elimination of each player's tribe...it is a condition that you must hold your tribe otherwise you will be eliminated.
What value should this be?
Well to start, i have set this at 7 neutrals on Version 8...but that can be adjusted if thought to be too high.

I have done a count of the regions directly between each tribe around the board.
Jiwiki <-> Chimbu = 6
Chimbu <-> Enga = 7
Enga <-> Highland = 5
Highland <-> Asaro = 7
Asaro <-> Hulli = 7
Hulli <-> Iwan = 8
Iwan <-> Motu = 9
Motu <-> Jiwiki = 8


Hm, I understand your reasoning for the large neutral, but it also kind of stifles easy expansion into natural bonus zones. If I was the Huli tribe for instance, I might be disappointed that to get my bonus zone of 3 regions, I'd have to take out 7 neutrals early on. Hm, but I'll give it some thought.


--Andy

I currently have the starting positions coded to include each tribe's adjacent territory, and I'll probably edit the XML so that tribes start with more than 3 troops. No neutrals necessary :)

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Re: Classic Cities :Pot Mosbi [22 Nov] V8 Gameplay

Postby cairnswk on Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:55 pm

Victor Sullivan wrote:...
I currently have the starting positions coded to include each tribe's adjacent territory, and I'll probably edit the XML so that tribes start with more than 3 troops. No neutrals necessary :)
-Sully

Mmmm, OK did we discuss that...it's been so long i don't remember.

So what value should the tribes start with?

And what is your view on the probability criteria Sully?
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