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IcePack wrote:Yeah, otherwise if your losing (and have no shot @ any medals) you can just create havoc and not break site rules but egg the other clans on Til they've lost their medals (or some of them).
I don't know what the solution would be but as it is the rule is flawed.
lord voldemort wrote:if a mod thinks you have crossed a line of what you have posted then they have the site rules to go by...if they havent broken the rules then its fine.
There is no need to confuse this whole mess.
if you are baiting a clan into a response then that is covered in the community guidelines...if you are flaming and abusing them...then that is also covered...Its not difficult to understand
drunkmonkey wrote:I'm filing a C&A report right now. Its nice because they have a drop-down for "jefjef".
jefjef wrote:lord voldemort wrote:if a mod thinks you have crossed a line of what you have posted then they have the site rules to go by...if they havent broken the rules then its fine.
There is no need to confuse this whole mess.
if you are baiting a clan into a response then that is covered in the community guidelines...if you are flaming and abusing them...then that is also covered...Its not difficult to understand
Exactly. If site rules are broken then whatever warnings due are issued. The loss of medal is additional incentive to not violate rules.
btw Ice: Creating havoc = baits, flames and trolling - all of which are rules violations.
lynch5762 wrote:jefjef wrote:lord voldemort wrote:if a mod thinks you have crossed a line of what you have posted then they have the site rules to go by...if they havent broken the rules then its fine.
There is no need to confuse this whole mess.
if you are baiting a clan into a response then that is covered in the community guidelines...if you are flaming and abusing them...then that is also covered...Its not difficult to understand
Exactly. If site rules are broken then whatever warnings due are issued. The loss of medal is additional incentive to not violate rules.
btw Ice: Creating havoc = baits, flames and trolling - all of which are rules violations.
oh boy... I guess this is round 2...
First of all.. It seems that so many are missing the point yet so many others are getting it. For example... (LV's quote "if a mod thinks you have a crossed a line....")
well there are two problems with that;
(1) --- what if the mod is wrong????
(2) --- how do you discipline the person or party that is out of line if they are losing the war (in other words for those that don't get it..... you cannot take or keep a medal from them??)
I agree with both of the last two posts that this is a simple problem, however, I also think that both of the last two posts are seriously missing the point!!
drunkmonkey wrote:I'm filing a C&A report right now. Its nice because they have a drop-down for "jefjef".
(and neither did we alone! many others contributed to that thread outside of our clan)jefjef wrote:lynch5762 wrote:jefjef wrote:lord voldemort wrote:if a mod thinks you have crossed a line of what you have posted then they have the site rules to go by...if they havent broken the rules then its fine.
There is no need to confuse this whole mess.
if you are baiting a clan into a response then that is covered in the community guidelines...if you are flaming and abusing them...then that is also covered...Its not difficult to understand
Exactly. If site rules are broken then whatever warnings due are issued. The loss of medal is additional incentive to not violate rules.
btw Ice: Creating havoc = baits, flames and trolling - all of which are rules violations.
oh boy... I guess this is round 2...
First of all.. It seems that so many are missing the point yet so many others are getting it. For example... (LV's quote "if a mod thinks you have a crossed a line....")
well there are two problems with that;
(1) --- what if the mod is wrong????
(2) --- how do you discipline the person or party that is out of line if they are losing the war (in other words for those that don't get it..... you cannot take or keep a medal from them??)
I agree with both of the last two posts that this is a simple problem, however, I also think that both of the last two posts are seriously missing the point!!
Oh boy.
It's simple.
Violate the rules - get warnings and bans. Win or Lose. (no problem... we received warnings and stopped... again this is not the issue though as we accept our punishment... I just think that many are concerned about the precedent that has been set)
As for additional punishments war privs can also subject to loss. (great... can you give me an example as to when this has been in forced?)
BTW. Very few people feel the mod was wrong and he wasn't alone in the disciplinary actions taken. Anytime you feel you have been wronged you may file an E-Ticket and discuss with admin. (Note; this is not a public opinion poll on whether or not the mod was wrong.... rather a query as to whether some further clarification should be required that is all)
But all this is mute. Your opponents in that war didn't cross 35 pages of lines.
jefjef wrote:But all this is mute.
War Thread Behaviour
In order to curb some poor behaviour in the war threads,In the past, we’ve locked war threads due to the behaviour of a single individual, thus inherently punishing both clans. In order to be consistent, this will only be applied by the Clan Dept Head (most often these issues are raised by the CD team).players will be denied medals if their behaviour is deemed to be disruptive or inappropriate, even if it does not meet the site wide policy for a forum infraction.
lord voldemort wrote:disruptive and inappropriate is against the site rules...if the mods showed some balls and actually punished some people instead of trying to be friends with everyone. Just draw the line...make it clear. If anyone steps over it, then they are punished...if they don't...then there is nothing they can do about it. It is really not that difficult...There is no need for a committee to discuss this issue.
eddie2 wrote:lord v and jefjef have you even read the rule as it stands let me quote the part that brings concern into this.War Thread Behaviour
In order to curb some poor behaviour in the war threads,In the past, we’ve locked war threads due to the behaviour of a single individual, thus inherently punishing both clans. In order to be consistent, this will only be applied by the Clan Dept Head (most often these issues are raised by the CD team).players will be denied medals if their behaviour is deemed to be disruptive or inappropriate, even if it does not meet the site wide policy for a forum infraction.
now you 2 are making comments stating if you break a site rule you can be refused a medal. but this rule also states if you don't break a site rule you could also not recieve a medal. people can wind other people up within site rules. but if they are the losing clan they will not recieve any punishment for this. so this rule needs to be corrected.
ps plz dont change this thread into a how the pack misbehaved that is being dealt with else where. this thread is so we can disguss the rule as a general.
Metsfanmax wrote:Seems pretty straightforward to me. Losing your medal for inappropriate behavior almost never happens in team competitions - qwert gave one example, but the same policy holds elsewhere. In such team sports, inappropriate behavior is punished by being sidelined for some number of games.
Metsfanmax wrote:Seems pretty straightforward to me. Losing your medal for inappropriate behavior almost never happens in team competitions - qwert gave one example, but the same policy holds elsewhere. In such team sports, inappropriate behavior is punished by being sidelined for some number of games.
jghost7 wrote:Metsfanmax wrote:Seems pretty straightforward to me. Losing your medal for inappropriate behavior almost never happens in team competitions - qwert gave one example, but the same policy holds elsewhere. In such team sports, inappropriate behavior is punished by being sidelined for some number of games.
There is also consideration needed for non clan posters as well. They would not be affected by any benching protocol.
drunkmonkey wrote:I'm filing a C&A report right now. Its nice because they have a drop-down for "jefjef".
TheMissionary wrote:I vote to let it go.
Great-Ollie wrote:As for the "what if they were on the losing clans roster" question...the answer is simple...you will simply not get your next medal.
Cool man i think that is what people were asking. I think the only confusion is the clarity of the rules and the punishments. The actual rulings and such i trust the mods decisions. Just wanted some clarity and you just provided it, thank you.
chemefreak wrote:TheMissionary wrote:I vote to let it go.
This is a great idea!
Also, the thread called "medal stripping" was archived with the permission of the OP. I'm not sure who locked it, but it appears there were several posts after it moved to archives...which is just silly!
No amount of voting is going to help here. Keep it civil and obey warnings when they are given or medals will not be granted.
As for the "what if they were on the losing clans roster" question...the answer is simple...you will simply not get your next medal.
If the behavior continues, then the player (or the entire clan) will be denied privileges the next time they seek them.
The site rules apply to the clan forum. However, it is sometimes very difficult for moderators to determine what is and isn't okay in the context of a war thread. Thus, they tend to let things go. The CDs have decided to enforce the peace with the rules that everyone has to agree to when they use the privilege system or want medals. What is so hard to understand about that?
jefjef wrote:jghost7 wrote:Metsfanmax wrote:Seems pretty straightforward to me. Losing your medal for inappropriate behavior almost never happens in team competitions - qwert gave one example, but the same policy holds elsewhere. In such team sports, inappropriate behavior is punished by being sidelined for some number of games.
There is also consideration needed for non clan posters as well. They would not be affected by any benching protocol.
Are you referring to posts like smeagirls in this war thread that he is not a participant in?
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