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Re: Ratings Lock to Join Games?

Postby b00060 on Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:02 pm

EVERYONE SEEMS TO WANT THIS!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Ratings Lock to Join Games?

Postby blakebowling on Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:32 am

This has been rejected again and again. It simply isn't going to happen.

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Re: Fair Games between Ranks

Postby westbo on Mon Dec 05, 2011 2:35 pm

rule 2 10145881 happends often what to do
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Re: Fair Games between Ranks

Postby demonfork on Mon Dec 05, 2011 2:44 pm

So when I dropped to cadet after being Conqueror I wouldn't have been able to play a Field Marshal if this proposed rule would have been in effect?
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Re: Fair Games between Ranks

Postby demonfork on Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:52 pm

demonfork wrote:So when I dropped to cadet after being Conqueror I wouldn't have been able to play a Field Marshal if this proposed rule would have been in effect?


Thought that would shut this lame idea down...guess I was right.
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Re: Fair Games between Ranks

Postby chapcrap on Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:50 am

demonfork wrote:
demonfork wrote:So when I dropped to cadet after being Conqueror I wouldn't have been able to play a Field Marshal if this proposed rule would have been in effect?


Thought that would shut this lame idea down...guess I was right.

I just got so confused because I can't envision you being a cadet. You are just far too talented.
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MAKE THIS FOR CC PLS

Postby SaviorShot on Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:09 pm

Make it where you can put a block on the players that can join your game( based on there points) ... U kno make it where u can have it on/off Customize it ... Im tired of Cooks and privates joining my games and winning due to awesome dice (which im not complaing about dice it comes and goes for all of us) and takes 40 pts from you ... sum1 pls make this applicatin or tell me why it cant be made?
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Re: MAKE THIS FOR CC PLS

Postby blakebowling on Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:22 pm

It wouldn't be a tool, so I'm moving this to regular Suggestions.

Also, it most likely won't be done, as it has been rejected in the past.
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Re: MAKE THIS FOR CC PLS

Postby Army of GOD on Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:31 pm

The saddest part of this thread is that OP is 23 and American.
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Re: MAKE THIS FOR CC PLS

Postby Metsfanmax on Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:45 pm

Rejected. Please see the multitude of other threads on this topic to understand why we haven't made this.
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Re: Drop game option, if a certain point difference is prese

Postby blakebowling on Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:50 pm

Rejected. This won't happen.
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Re: MAKE THIS FOR CC PLS

Postby chapcrap on Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:55 pm

Army of GOD wrote:The saddest part of this thread is that OP is 23 and American.

This
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Re: MAKE THIS FOR CC PLS

Postby jgordon1111 on Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:02 pm

a good indicator of our education system,but he can play this game pretty darn good
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Re: MAKE THIS FOR CC PLS

Postby Army of GOD on Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:17 pm

jgordon1111 wrote:a good indicator of our education system,but he can play this game pretty darn good


Not sure if you're one to talk.
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Re: MAKE THIS FOR CC PLS

Postby SaviorShot on Tue Dec 20, 2011 11:14 am

Army of GOD wrote:The saddest part of this thread is that OP is 23 and American.



Why is this sad???
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Re: MAKE THIS FOR CC PLS

Postby TheForgivenOne on Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:42 am

Since this is getting a tad offtopic. Locked
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Re: Fair Games between Ranks

Postby oran0007 on Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:53 am

I have always wanted an option like this, and wish it was not turned down all the time. I would not want to always create games that way, but when I try a new map, choosing to play members around my rank should help protect me from some of the people who know how to play that map so well I basically stand no chance. I don't think it should be an optional range though. If I am a sergeant, it should limit to 1 rank above and 1 below (or 2 or whatever the decided on number is). This way, it is slightly less likely to become something high rank members use to protect their score.

On that note, there is a sort of progressive approach also which could greatly reduce the ability of higher ranked players from protecting their score. It would depend on the score at time of game creation. The people who can see the game are within a certain range of the creator's score. That range would be 10% of the score multiplied by a number. That number would be the level of rank the creator is. score * .1 * rank number. So my number would be 7, because sergeant is the seventh rank (not including recruit). If I started a game at my current score (1377), someone with a score between 414 (rounding up to the next integer) and 2340 (rounding down to the next integer) could see the game. If chapcrap created such a game, there would be no lower limit (as the number is negative) and the upper limit would be 4372. For socxc9, the numbers would be 646 and 1506.

As you can see, the higher the score of the game creator, the less it limits their chances of losing to a lower rank while still allowing them to omit 'higher' ranks. While I do understand and agree (to some extent) with the argument that rank/score don't show skill, it is a fair indicator for the most part. If you want to make rank more meaningful, the requisite number of games played to achieve ranks should be raised and farming should be redefined. Barring those changes, I think rank is still a good enough indicator of the skill level of the majority of players. The best examples of those for whom it is not a good indicator probably spend a lot of time playing certain types of games (some probably losing more than they win as well as the other way around).

So with my idea as the suggestion, here is the form:



Concise description:
  • Add an option on game start to limit those who can see the game by their current score.

Specifics/Details:
  • 1. Multiply the game creator's score by .1 (at the time of creating the game, not dynamic after game creation).
  • 2. Assign a number value to each rank (i.e. 1-Cook, 2-Cadet, 3-Private, ..., 14-General, 15-Field Marshall)
  • 3. Multiply the result of step 1 by the game creator's rank number.
  • 4. Subtract the result of step 3 from the creator's score and round up to the nearest integer.
  • 5. Add the result of step 3 to the creator's score and round down to the nearest integer.
  • 6. All players within the range established by those two numbers may see the game once it is created.

How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:
  • 1. Allows lower ranked individuals to play games against members whose skills are possibly more evenly matched to their own. This is in the interest of allowing players to work on their strategy without having to hand-pick all of their opponents.
  • 2. Progressively removes the benefit of choosing this as an option as score increases.
    Field Marshalls may begin to see games started by players with scores as low as 2143. Considering that there are only two right now plus the Conqueror, there is not much of a point to starting a game this way at those high scores.
  • 3. Prevents the complete segregation of ranks as is feared with previous suggestions.
    Starting at a score of 1800, all lower ranked players can see the game, so higher ranked players would not be able to use this feature to shield themselves from losing large numbers of points by being defeated by players with much lower scores.
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Re: Fair Games between Ranks

Postby macbone on Fri Jan 13, 2012 8:20 am

This is a common feature on chess sites. We already do this through private games and invites - why not make it a public feature? And don't limit it to premium players - many people want to get together and play a game with other players of their own skill. Why not make this easier to do?

Natty, I agree that rank doesn't necessarily equate to skill (I'm awful at Freestyle Speed, for instance), but it's the closest approximation we have right now.
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Re: Fair Games between Ranks

Postby Woodruff on Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:29 pm

chapcrap wrote:
TheForgivenOne wrote:Been suggested before. Try searching for something before posting it.

It's been suggested a lot. By a lot of different people, different ranks. Freemiums, premiums. A lot of people want this option. I don't care what lack wants or if there is already a section in Callouts, this is something that obviously would improve the game for a lot of players.


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Re: Fair Games between Ranks

Postby Geger on Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:23 am

I think it's a lot easier to add a "level limit" similar to "round limit", that we already have.

The options will be :
  • none (default)
  • +/- 1
  • +/- 2
  • +/- 3
  • ...

Examples :
- a Major create a game and chooses "+/- 2", so the game can be joined by players with ranks from Lieutenant to Brigadier.
- a Corporal create a game and chooses "+/- 1", so the game can be joined by players with ranks from Private 1st Class to Corporal 1st Class.

And remember, there is always the option none as default.

Just my 2 cents
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Re: Fair Games between Ranks

Postby oran0007 on Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:44 am

Geger wrote:I think it's a lot easier to add a "level limit" similar to "round limit", that we already have.

The options will be :
  • none (default)
  • +/- 1
  • +/- 2
  • +/- 3
  • ...

Examples :
- a Major create a game and chooses "+/- 2", so the game can be joined by players with ranks from Lieutenant to Brigadier.
- a Corporal create a game and chooses "+/- 1", so the game can be joined by players with ranks from Private 1st Class to Corporal 1st Class.

And remember, there is always the option none as default.

Just my 2 cents


This just promotes the perceived problem of separation. The decision makers feel that players would separate themselves, namely those of high rank would use this to prevent themselves from losing large point values to artificially protect their rank. Of course this is possible now, but it is much more work than it would be under your proposed system. Currently they would have to only join games last, or only start private games. Under this suggestion they would be able to start 50 games, knowing that they would only play against those of similar rank.

Like I said before, I would like a system like this, but it just is not going to happen. It may happen at some point if it is limited to players below a certain rank or if there is some sort of progressive removal of the possibility of abuse.
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Re: Fair Games between Ranks

Postby Woodruff on Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:05 pm

oran0007 wrote:
Geger wrote:I think it's a lot easier to add a "level limit" similar to "round limit", that we already have.

The options will be :
  • none (default)
  • +/- 1
  • +/- 2
  • +/- 3
  • ...

Examples :
- a Major create a game and chooses "+/- 2", so the game can be joined by players with ranks from Lieutenant to Brigadier.
- a Corporal create a game and chooses "+/- 1", so the game can be joined by players with ranks from Private 1st Class to Corporal 1st Class.

And remember, there is always the option none as default.

Just my 2 cents


This just promotes the perceived problem of separation. The decision makers feel that players would separate themselves, namely those of high rank would use this to prevent themselves from losing large point values to artificially protect their rank.


The fact of the matter is that this is an artificial argument. I say "artificial", because the only other possible alternative isn't very nice to say. It would not at all cause rank segregation any more than we currently have it. Unfortunately, the site owner seems to believe that if he just ignores the desires of his customers, they will still remain paying customers.
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Re: Fair Games between Ranks

Postby greenoaks on Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:51 pm

i don't like this idea.

if you want to limit who can play your games then use the function already built into this site. PRIVATE GAMES.
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Re: Fair Games between Ranks

Postby sherkaner on Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:09 pm

hmm, I'd just throw it at 20% score difference from the creator of from the lowest/highest in the game or something like it. So someone at 2000 can start and ppl between 1600 and 2400 can join. But I do see the logic of the current situation too.
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Re: Fair Games between Ranks

Postby Geger on Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:46 pm

greenoaks wrote:i don't like this idea.

if you want to limit who can play your games then use the function already built into this site. PRIVATE GAMES.


I know about this. Create Private Game then invite players to join or post in Call-Out.

The problem are :
- Most players don't like PM-Spam
- Most players don't visit forum

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