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Re: WWII Pearl Harbor - [Quenched]

Postby vskarica on Sun Oct 17, 2010 9:08 am

THX. I guess I misread instructions and took it for one way attack.
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Re: WWII Pearl Harbor - [Quenched]

Postby cairnswk on Sun Oct 17, 2010 3:17 pm

vskarica wrote:THX. I guess I misread instructions and took it for one way attack.

Possibly, but the arrows are the one-way attacks, which are marked; these are almost standard on CC maps.
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Re: WWII Pearl Harbor - [Quenched]

Postby Victor Sullivan on Sun Dec 12, 2010 7:44 pm

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Can this be fixed? Surely you can't agree this is fair...

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Re: WWII Pearl Harbor - [Quenched]

Postby cairnswk on Sun Dec 12, 2010 9:59 pm

Victor Sullivan wrote:Can this be fixed? Surely you can't agree this is fair...
-Sully

What do you want fixed Sully? I can't tell a damned thing from your graphic :roll:
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Re: WWII Pearl Harbor - [Quenched]

Postby carlpgoodrich on Sun Dec 12, 2010 10:32 pm

I think Sully is referring to the uneven "troops due" to begin the game. I had the same reaction the first time I played the map. But Sully, the map works... its actually a bit brilliant. Just let the game play out.
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Re: WWII Pearl Harbor - [Quenched]

Postby Victor Sullivan on Mon Dec 13, 2010 8:14 pm

cairnswk wrote:
Victor Sullivan wrote:Can this be fixed? Surely you can't agree this is fair...
-Sully

What do you want fixed Sully? I can't tell a damned thing from your graphic :roll:

Gee, cairns, you take criticism so lightly, don't you? :roll: Don't worry, cairns, you'll find that spring in your step soon enough. ;)

carlpgoodrich wrote:I think Sully is referring to the uneven "troops due" to begin the game. I had the same reaction the first time I played the map. But Sully, the map works... its actually a bit brilliant. Just let the game play out.

Thanks, carl, for clearing that up, I suppose I wasn't clear. I'll play it out, but I honestly don't have high hopes...

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Re: WWII Pearl Harbor - [Quenched]

Postby ironsij0287 on Mon Dec 13, 2010 8:20 pm

We just played this with escalating spoils. The folks that started with more troops certainly didn't keep the upper hand for very long.
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Re: WWII Pearl Harbor - [Quenched]

Postby cairnswk on Mon Dec 13, 2010 9:55 pm

Victor Sullivan wrote:
cairnswk wrote:
Victor Sullivan wrote:Can this be fixed? Surely you can't agree this is fair...
-Sully

What do you want fixed Sully? I can't tell a damned thing from your graphic :roll:

Gee, cairns, you take criticism so lightly, don't you? :roll: Don't worry, cairns, you'll find that spring in your step soon enough. ;)
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-Sully

Sully, I didn't take it as criticism. It's just what i suspected.
This issue just happens to have been round the world several times for people like yourself who don't bother to read some of the thread to see if it has been mentioned before.
For your info, we even changed the map so that the bonuses weren't so uneven, end eventually most (including myself) wanted the original back, which is exactly what you have now.
Good luck with your games, and keep your hopes high....you never know!! :)
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Re: WWII Pearl Harbor - [Quenched]

Postby InsomniaRed on Mon Dec 13, 2010 9:59 pm

In Sully's defense, I doubt someone who had a screenshot and a quick question wanted to read 60 pages just to most likely still be adamant on asking said question/posting said screenshot.
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Re: WWII Pearl Harbor - [Quenched]

Postby Victor Sullivan on Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:01 pm

InsomniaRed wrote:In Sully's defense, I doubt someone who had a screenshot and a quick question wanted to read 60 pages just to most likely still be adamant on asking said question/posting said screenshot.

You couldn't be further from the opposite of truth. ;)
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Re: WWII Pearl Harbor - [Quenched]

Postby DiM on Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:36 am

i had the impression that this map was screwy when it first came out but then it was fixed. it turns out it's not fixed at all.
just started a 2v2 game where the other team got a bonus of 28 from the start while my team got just 18.
seeing how each player starts with 18 terits it was very easy for the other team (cause they went first) to break some of our terits (3) and now before even taking a turn we have a cumulative bonus of 15 (9+6) while they have a bonus of 33 (15+18).

this is messed up in a huge way.
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Re: WWII Pearl Harbor - [Quenched]

Postby cairnswk on Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:03 am

DiM wrote:i had the impression that this map was screwy when it first came out but then it was fixed. it turns out it's not fixed at all.
....
this is messed up in a huge way.

This is not messed up in a huge way.
Yes it was altered previously when there was a call to see what an altered situation would make...however after time, it was decided to return to the original play which reflected the way the battle was.
As has been said before, not all maps on CC are totally balanced.
And look Dim, scream all you like about it being unbalanced and srewed up, but you will only be wating your time if you decide to persue this.
The map is what it is. The planes had the advantage in the real situation.
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Re: WWII Pearl Harbor - [Quenched]

Postby DiM on Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:59 am

cairnswk wrote:
DiM wrote:i had the impression that this map was screwy when it first came out but then it was fixed. it turns out it's not fixed at all.
....
this is messed up in a huge way.

This is not messed up in a huge way.
Yes it was altered previously when there was a call to see what an altered situation would make...however after time, it was decided to return to the original play which reflected the way the battle was.
As has been said before, not all maps on CC are totally balanced.
And look Dim, scream all you like about it being unbalanced and srewed up, but you will only be wating your time if you decide to persue this.
The map is what it is. The planes had the advantage in the real situation.



the bonuses are whack (+3 for 2 planes WTF) and the terit distribution is the worst possible (24 terits per player in 2,3p games, 18 per player in 4 p games, 12 per player in 6p games)
basically except the 5 and 7p games all others are messed up because of the terit distribution.
and that's before you see the huge bonuses for the planes and realise you have no chance if the other person/team starts first and gets some planes.


yeah i know i'm wasting my breath here cause you probably won't change it but still, you messed up on this one. messed up big time.


the fact that the planes had an advantage is totally irrelevant if it screws up the gameplay. it's like making a ww2 map and giving USA a 999 bonus just because they had the nuke in real life.
you should know better than this cairns.
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Re: WWII Pearl Harbor - [Quenched]

Postby cairnswk on Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:27 am

DiM wrote:...yeah i know i'm wasting my breath here cause you probably won't change it but still, you messed up on this one. messed up big time.
...

What short memory you have when you yourself contributed to the map (congratulating me on Final Forge on P30) and had many opportunities to contribute to gameplay discussion which you did (one such ocassion was the llink between the harbour and the oil refinery)...so don't sit there and tell me i messed up and should know better...i'd say it was more a case of everyone messed up although i was the guiding hand that wanted the map to be in favour of the planes having the advantage.
I'd say this was more a case of in the days when this map was developed, there was no such total principle that every map should be a balanced as possible and that no golden numbers existed otherwise we would have gone through that process.
You too Dim can do better than that ! ;)
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Re: WWII Pearl Harbor - [Quenched]

Postby DiM on Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:31 am

cairnswk wrote:
DiM wrote:...yeah i know i'm wasting my breath here cause you probably won't change it but still, you messed up on this one. messed up big time.
...

What short memory you have when you yourself contributed to the map (congratulating me on Final Forge on P30) and had many opportunities to contribute to gameplay discussion which you did (one such ocassion was the llink between the harbour and the oil refinery)...so don't sit there and tell me i messed up and should know better...i'd say it was more a case of everyone messed up although i was the guiding hand that wanted the map to be in favour of the planes having the advantage.
I'd say this was more a case of in the days when this map was developed, there was no such total principle that every map should be a balanced as possible and that no golden numbers existed otherwise we would have gone through that process.
You too Dim can do better than that ! ;)


change is possible and it's never too late to right a wrong. all it takes is willpower. :roll:
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