Re: New Zealand [20.1.13] V21 BETA LIVE

[AndyDufresne]

I see your image of new zealand air transit, and raise you another:

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Ha. Though in all reality, I like ian's suggestions. But I don't think I've formed too much of an opinion either way about how heart broken if things remained the way they are.


--Andy

[Oneyed]

at the first I have queston about Tikis. some of them are airports, some of them not. this makes difference between them. a little...

to the airports, I know nothing about xml, but there are too much of them I think. I like idea white --- white, white --- black, black --- black. but if it is possible you can reduce number of airports.

Oneyed.

[iancanton]

what are u trying to say? there are no black ---> black routes at all? or all routes go to or from auckland, wellington or christchurch?

ian.

[cairnswk]

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what are u trying to say? there are no black ---> black routes at all? or all routes go to or from auckland, wellington or christchurch?
ian.

That's true according to the map, but what i was trying to say also with that the list of airports previously ...
I wanted to show that the large airports (as whites) only operated to the large airports
while the small airports (as blacks) could operate to black and white.
Hence
white <---> white
black ----> white and black
This also makes sense for the size of the airport, since most jet planes probably couldn't land on small regional runways, but smaller planes could land on larger runways.

So i stick by my

white <---> white
black ----> white and black
and as i said if black ---> white and black is too open, then restrict the black to each each island.

[cairnswk]

I see your image of new zealand air transit, and raise you another:

show

Ha. Though in all reality, I like ian's suggestions. But I don't think I've formed too much of an opinion either way about how heart broken if things remained the way they are.


--Andy

OK. Thanks Andy.

thanks Oneyed for your comments.

at the first I have queston about Tikis. some of them are airports, some of them not. this makes difference between them. a little...

Yes they may need moving....i think there are 4 that i count.

to the airports, I know nothing about xml, but there are too much of them I think. I like idea white --- white, white --- black, black --- black. but if it is possible you can reduce number of airports.
Oneyed.

OK, i can do that, but some direction to what to remove would be good.

[iancanton]

I wanted to show that the large airports (as whites) only operated to the large airports
while the small airports (as blacks) could operate to black and white.
Hence
white <---> white
black ----> white and black
This also makes sense for the size of the airport, since most jet planes probably couldn't land on small regional runways, but smaller planes could land on larger runways..

u are mixing up airlines and airports. air new zealand itself operates large planes between white airports only. the diagram shows that anz link operates small planes from white to black and from black to white, but not between same-coloured airports; the only possible arrivals at black airports are from white airports. to reproduce the difference between the two airlines requires two terminals at each white airport. this is probably overdoing the air travel part of the map unless u change the theme completely.

So i stick by my

white <---> white
black ----> white and black
and as i said if black ---> white and black is too open, then restrict the black to each each island.

the one-way attacks do not make logical sense for air travel, since it's ridiculous to say that u can fly from hokitika to christchurch or from any small airport to hokitika, but not from christchurch to hokitika, especially when the diagram shows that only christchurch planes go to hokitika.
nonetheless, i believe that the gameplay scheme which u outline here (white to any white airport anywhere and black to any airport on the same island) is capable of working well.

4 neutrals for each tiki is probably excessive for most tiki. i suggest 3 for most tiki, but 4 for gisborne and hawera because the latter two are in 2-region bonus zones and are more likely to be occupied early in the game.

ian.

[Oneyed]

nonetheless, i believe that the gameplay scheme which u outline here (white to any white airport anywhere and black to any airport on the same island) is capable of working well.
ian.

this sounds good to me. maybe white to any white anywhere and to black in the same island, black to any in the same island could also works...

just what with difference between Tikis with airport and Tikis without airport?

also maybe you can delete lake in Qoeentown.

Oneyed

[cairnswk]

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nonetheless, i believe that the gameplay scheme which u outline here (white to any white airport anywhere and black to any airport on the same island) is capable of working well.

Yay!! we have some agreement

4 neutrals for each tiki is probably excessive for most tiki. i suggest 3 for most tiki, but 4 for gisborne and hawera because the latter two are in 2-region bonus zones and are more likely to be occupied early in the game.

ian.

Done!

nonetheless, i believe that the gameplay scheme which u outline here (white to any white airport anywhere and black to any airport on the same island) is capable of working well.
ian.

this sounds good to me. maybe white to any white anywhere and to black in the same island, black to any in the same island could also works...

OK, but let's stick the simple scheme outlined above.

just what with difference between Tikis with airport and Tikis without airport?

tikis on airport territories have been moved.
also black plane removed from Westport.

also maybe you can delete lake in Qoeentown.
Oneyed

Mmm. let's leave that for graphics later.

[cairnswk]

Version 8, changes as per listed above.

[Oneyed]

hm, airport gameplay looks fine now. but could you a little play with airports deployment? or they are done by reality?

each region (continent) have one or none airport, except Cantenbury and Otago. they have two airports.
Cantenbury is the largest region so two airports here are fine. by I can not see any reason why Otago could has two airports (and neither why two whitesones). what about to take white airport from Queenstown to west coast? maybe add it to Milford Sound (Southland is the second largest region, so would has also two airports).

the north island has 33 regions and 5 black airports, the south island has 39 regions and 4 black airports. maybe add one black airport to Karamia?

Oneyed

[cairnswk]

hm, airport gameplay looks fine now. but could you a little play with airports deployment? or they are done by reality?

each region (continent) have one or none airport, except Cantenbury and Otago. they have two airports.
Cantenbury is the largest region so two airports here are fine. by I can not see any reason why Otago could has two airports (and neither why two whitesones). what about to take white airport from Queenstown to west coast? maybe add it to Milford Sound (Southland is the second largest region, so would has also two airports).

the north island has 33 regions and 5 black airports, the south island has 39 regions and 4 black airports. maybe add one black airport to Karamia?

Oneyed

I can remove the white airport from Dunedin for Otago, but definitely not Queenstown, and west coast can only have black plane.
And Milford is also out of the question since it is surrounded by very steep mountains.

I can ads a black plane to Nelson, but not Karamia.

[Victor Sullivan]

I wonder if perhaps Wellington and Taranaki would do better as +1s? Even with ian's hike in neutral size, both bonuses would still be desirable.

-Sully

[cairnswk]

I wonder if perhaps Wellington and Taranaki would do better as +1s? Even with ian's hike in neutral size, both bonuses would still be desirable.

-Sully

Well i'll leave you to discuss that with ian.

[cairnswk]

Has there been any further discussion between ian and Sully on this issue?

[cairnswk]

Is there any further discussion on this...i wonder why this map doesn't attract a lot of attention...perhaps it's the country i.e. not USA.