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Czecho Slovak Fragmentation - new xml and towns bonus

Postby Oneyed on Sun Jan 22, 2012 8:51 pm

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Map Name: Fragmentation of CSFR
Mapmaker(s): Oneyed
Number of Territories: it would be a small map. 34 regions
Special Features: bonuses are based on two republics insude Czecho Slovak Federal Republic - Czech Republic and Slovak Republic
What Makes This Map Worthy of Being Made: history, small map with "not clasic" gameplay

this is map about fragmentation CzechoSlovak federal republic in 1.1.1993.
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here are changes.
- the capitals are +1 autodeploy
- the border of CSFR and border between CR and SR are darker
- I asked Gilligan for helpwith xml

last change:
capitals gain +2 for every 4 towns in the same republic.
Brno is not more neutral.

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what about to change bonus for capitals and 4 towns to +2 instead +1?
when we look at kraj bonus in the slovak republic here is +2 for each. it is 4 territoreis, 3 to secure. in the czech republic kraj bonus is +4 for every 2 kraje. it is 6 territories, 4 to secure. capital with 4 towns it is 5 territories and 5 to secure.
so I have two ideas:
1, make +2 for every 4 towns (in CR/SR) with capital or
2, make capitals +1 autodeploy.

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the xml updated here is the right one.

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR

Postby sannemanrobinson on Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:40 am

I like it, a small map with different gameplay. You could skip some of the rules so the player doesnt have to read all the manual thats attached to it. Highways are mostly redundant because regions already border each other (Zilma can attack Poprad without a highway). Also if you draw a regional border around the capitals you might not have to explain that in the legend.
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR

Postby Oneyed on Mon Jan 23, 2012 4:06 am

sannemanrobinson wrote:I like it, a small map with different gameplay.


thanks.
sannemanrobinson wrote:You could skip some of the rules so the player doesnt have to read all the manual thats attached to it.


I will need any help from somebody with better english :)
sannemanrobinson wrote:Highways are mostly redundant because regions already border each other (Zilma can attack Poprad without a highway).


Zilina can not attack Poprad without highway. Zilina must attack SSK (region) and then attack VSK (region) and only then Porad. highway is more important for Slovakia, because there are only three regions and only two borders - ZSK with SSK and SSK with VSK.
sannemanrobinson wrote:Also if you draw a regional border around the capitals you might not have to explain that in the legend.


sounds good. need some more opinions on this.

thansk for your input.

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR

Postby zimmah on Mon Jan 23, 2012 4:21 am

did you just take a map from the internet and put you own graphics over it?

all that small text is really distracting from the map and the font is also not really looking great.

i mean the map itself is acceptable, but i hope you will actually draw something nicer.
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR

Postby sannemanrobinson on Mon Jan 23, 2012 5:49 am

Oneyed wrote:
sannemanrobinson wrote:You could skip some of the rules so the player doesnt have to read all the manual thats attached to it.


What I meant was: the legend is rather big.

You could reduce this by reducing the amount of rules for the game. Or make it more easy to read like this:

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You will also have to make clear which regions are Czech end which regions are Slovak.
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR

Postby Oneyed on Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:32 am

I hope legend is clear now. also graphic is completly new, I let the old map as background.
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR

Postby natty dread on Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:02 am

Is the map image you're using as background free of copyright?
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR

Postby Oneyed on Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:24 am

natty_dread wrote:Is the map image you're using as background free of copyright?


hm, never thought about this from this view :) . it is old map used in public, mainly in schools...

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR

Postby natty dread on Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:26 am

You need to know for 100% sure that there's no copyright on the image, otherwise you cannot use it here.
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR

Postby Oneyed on Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:48 am

this is what I know: it is wall map for public usage, anybody could buy it in shop, there is no mention about copyright maybe because it was printed during socialism when nobody cares about copyright.

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR

Postby natty dread on Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:18 am

Well, you need to be sure. That you think "no one cares about the copyright" isn't enough, you need to find out if the map is copyrighted or not. If it's in the public domain, or has a license that allows use for any purpose, then it's ok to use. Otherwise, not.
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR

Postby Oneyed on Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:24 pm

natty_dread wrote:Well, you need to be sure. That you think "no one cares about the copyright" isn't enough, you need to find out if the map is copyrighted or not. If it's in the public domain, or has a license that allows use for any purpose, then it's ok to use. Otherwise, not.


I wrote mail them, so we will see...

let´s talk about gameplay and graphics. this version is without copyright problems ;)
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR

Postby isaiah40 on Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:09 pm

I like this one better as it doesn't look so cluttered. Much cleaner and readable!!
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR

Postby Oneyed on Mon Jan 23, 2012 4:40 pm

isaiah40 wrote:I like this one better as it doesn't look so cluttered. Much cleaner and readable!!


thanks isaiah40.

here are ones more both versions of map. with which one will be better to continue?

old paper background. version 2.
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this version 1 (original) has as background old wall map. I´ve asked at site where I downloaded background (they sale this map) if I can use it. the answer is yes, this map old about 30 years.
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - which one?

Postby bryguy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:59 pm

Second. It would look better though with the addition of textures.
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR

Postby isaiah40 on Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:01 pm

Oneyed wrote:this version 1 (original) has as background old wall map. I´ve asked at site where I downloaded background (they sale this map) if I can use it. the answer is yes, this map old about 30 years.

Can you please a copy of that to thenobodies80 please?
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR

Postby Flapcake on Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:00 am

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I like this one :D
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - which one?

Postby Oneyed on Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:21 am

Flapcake, how times go on me too :D

some graphic changes and czech towns changes (tips from J_Indr)
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - which one?

Postby Oneyed on Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:46 am

added different CSFR coat of arms.

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - which one?

Postby Dukasaur on Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:04 pm

I gotta say I love this map, and I hope you do it!

I gave a little gasp when I saw Beroun on the map; so many happy memories of my childhood! I've never seen Beroun recognised as an objective on any map, in any game whatsoever, in all my many years of wargaming!

You really have to go ahead with it!

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - which one?

Postby DoomYoshi on Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:08 pm

The one with the authentic map background is a nice idea, but really sloppy looking. If there was a way to clean it up, it would be nicer.
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - which one?

Postby Oneyed on Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:46 am

Dukasaur wrote:I gotta say I love this map, and I hope you do it!


I will do everything what I am able to finish it. promise :)
Dukasaur wrote:I gave a little gasp when I saw Beroun on the map; so many happy memories of my childhood!


holidays?
Dukasaur wrote:I've never seen Beroun recognised as an objective on any map, in any game whatsoever, in all my many years of wargaming!


did you saw any map of Czech republic (or Czechoslovakia) before? :D
Dukasaur wrote:You really have to go ahead with it!

=D> =D>


I´m glad that you like this map :)

DoomYoshi wrote:The one with the authentic map background is a nice idea, but really sloppy looking.


will see, there would be any copyright problems with these old map.
DoomYoshi wrote:If there was a way to clean it up, it would be nicer.


maybe I can reduce text on it. this should be a challenge for graphic masters, I will need any tips... :D

thanks guys for interest and inputs.

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - gameplay choice

Postby Oneyed on Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:59 pm

ok. it seems that decision is to go with this background. I a little change gameplay, now there are two rules. the diference in bonus for holding Towns.
all opinions are welcome :)

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - which one?

Postby tokle on Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:04 pm

Is it obvious to everyone where the border between Czechia and Slovakia goes? Should there not be a delineated border between the two?
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - gameplay choice

Postby Oneyed on Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:19 pm

good notice, tokle...

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