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Re: The Mayans [20.1.12] p2 - Name?

Postby natty dread on Sat Jan 21, 2012 2:36 am

Changed name again, to Mayan Nations.

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Re: The Mayans [20.1.12] p2 - Name?

Postby lostatlimbo on Sat Jan 21, 2012 2:39 am

Wow. I love this. A good bit going on for a fairly small map, but very straightforward. Nicely done.

I think the background would look better if you found something that looks old and weathered. Something that suggests "jungle ruin".

For the title: Mayan Empire
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Re: Mayan Nations [21.1.12] p2

Postby tokle on Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:58 am

For the title, how about just Maya. That seems to me to be the most simple and correct label for this map.
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Re: Mayan Nations [21.1.12] p2

Postby J_Indr on Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:03 pm

You could also consider something like "Mayan Cities" or "Mayan Kingdoms"
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Re: Mayan Nations [21.1.12] p2

Postby The Bison King on Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:23 am

Hey cool it uses those road type bonuses I used on Thyseneal/American Heartland. Also the main bonus structure reminds me of that Westeros map I started a while ago. Basically that means "Cool I like it!"

Also I think that's a cool region/time period.

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Re: Mayan Nations [21.1.12] p2

Postby natty dread on Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:46 am

Thanks for the feedback, everyone. Glad you like the map!

lostatlimbo wrote:For the title: Mayan Empire

tokle wrote:For the title, how about just Maya.

J_Indr wrote:You could also consider something like "Mayan Cities" or "Mayan Kingdoms"


Mayan Empire would be misleading as a name, seeing as there was no single "Mayan Empire". "Maya" could work, it's just not very descriptive... I could consider it though. "Mayan Cities/Kingdoms" aren't entirely accurate either, they were more like city-states... and "Mayan City-states" would just be overly convoluted.

The Bison King wrote:Hey cool it uses those road type bonuses I used on Thyseneal/American Heartland. Also the main bonus structure reminds me of that Westeros map I started a while ago. Basically that means "Cool I like it!"


Well, you have Oaktown to thank for most of the gameplay design so far, I took everything from his map and made only slight changes.
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Re: The Mayans [20.1.12] p2 - Name?

Postby natty dread on Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:47 am

lostatlimbo wrote:I think the background would look better if you found something that looks old and weathered. Something that suggests "jungle ruin".


I'll look into the graphics more closely later... when I get a better idea of the graphical direction I want to take.
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Re: Mayan Nations [21.1.12] p2

Postby Geger on Sun Jan 22, 2012 3:18 am

natty_dread wrote:
Mayan Empire would be misleading as a name, seeing as there was no single "Mayan Empire". "Maya" could work, it's just not very descriptive... I could consider it though. "Mayan Cities/Kingdoms" aren't entirely accurate either, they were more like city-states... and "Mayan City-states" would just be overly convoluted.



Classic Maya or Maya Civilization ??
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Re: Mayan Nations [21.1.12] p2

Postby sannemanrobinson on Sun Jan 22, 2012 3:44 am

Maya Colonization - although this may sound a bit like Spanish period
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Re: Mayan Nations [21.1.12] p2

Postby natty dread on Sun Jan 22, 2012 3:46 am

I still prefer Mayan Nations.
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Re: Mayan Nations [21.1.12] p2

Postby AndyDufresne on Mon Jan 23, 2012 4:59 pm

"Nations" suggests something akin to First Nations (multiple groups of people). Looking around my history books, they are only referred to as a "Mayan Nation," but within that nation sometimes there is reference to "Mayan Peoples."


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Re: Mayan Nations [21.1.12] p2

Postby natty dread on Mon Jan 23, 2012 5:44 pm

Mayan Nation (singular) could possibly work as well.

Or if I were to go for something more elaborate, I could maybe go for "Maya: The Classic Era" with "Maya" being the main title.
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Re: Mayan Nations [21.1.12] p2

Postby tokle on Mon Jan 23, 2012 5:51 pm

natty_dread wrote: "Maya: The Classic Era" with "Maya" being the main title.

That sounds much better in my opinion.
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Re: Mayan Nations [21.1.12] p2

Postby J_Indr on Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:20 pm

Another idea could be "Mayan Realms" - as much as with "Kingdoms", I'm just trying to find names for those city-centered, and probably rather territorially fluid political entities :-)
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Re: Mayan Nations [21.1.12] p2

Postby natty dread on Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:19 am

tokle wrote:
natty_dread wrote: "Maya: The Classic Era" with "Maya" being the main title.

That sounds much better in my opinion.


I think I'll go with this.
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Maya: The Classic Era

Postby natty dread on Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:08 am

So I changed the title again.

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Also, gameplay question:

Should I consider a bonus for the sea routes? They're kinda like trade routes as well...
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Re: Maya - The Classic Era [24.1.12] p3

Postby Victor Sullivan on Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:44 pm

Perhaps a +1 for holding the North Sea and the South Sea, but I don't see it as really needing to be included as a trade route. Also Cozumel seems to be a fairly useless region as it stands, since one can just use Colhá, if that makes sense. Maybe change the Colhá connection to Kintil, or the Cobá connection to Ek Balam?

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Re: Maya - The Classic Era [24.1.12] p3

Postby natty dread on Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:09 am

Victor Sullivan wrote:Perhaps a +1 for holding the North Sea and the South Sea, but I don't see it as really needing to be included as a trade route.


Holding both seas for +1? Who would ever go for that?

I was figuring something along the lines of +1 or +2 for holding a sea route (north sea or south sea) and both regions that connect to it. For example, Zempoala - North Sea - Dzibichaltun would give you +1 or +2.

Victor Sullivan wrote:Also Cozumel seems to be a fairly useless region as it stands,


It's very useful actually... without it, 1v1 games start with 12 regions. I will however probably change the sea connection.
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Re: Maya - The Classic Era [24.1.12] p3

Postby oaktown on Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:53 pm

Already looks better than anything I ever did with this map!

Regarding the naming, maybe I missed it if somebody already posted this but some of the cities depicted here aren't even remotely Mayan, but all existed during what is called the Classic Era of Mesoamerican civilization. The Mayans never got up into the Valley of Mexico, for example. There's no perfect name for this map, as you can either be succinct or accurate. The most historically correct title might be "Mesoamerica: the Classic Era." It doesn't entirely suck.
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Re: Maya - The Classic Era [24.1.12] p3

Postby natty dread on Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:12 pm

Thanks Oaktown!

I'm not really sure about the name, I could go for either version. Maya has a nice ring to it, but like you said, isn't entirely accurate...
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Re: Maya - The Classic Era [24.1.12] p3

Postby AndyDufresne on Wed Feb 01, 2012 3:28 pm

oaktown wrote:Already looks better than anything I ever did with this map!

Regarding the naming, maybe I missed it if somebody already posted this but some of the cities depicted here aren't even remotely Mayan, but all existed during what is called the Classic Era of Mesoamerican civilization. The Mayans never got up into the Valley of Mexico, for example. There's no perfect name for this map, as you can either be succinct or accurate. The most historically correct title might be "Mesoamerica: the Classic Era." It doesn't entirely suck.

I could dig this name.


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Re: Maya - The Classic Era [24.1.12] p3

Postby Seamus76 on Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:21 pm

oaktown wrote:Already looks better than anything I ever did with this map!

Regarding the naming, maybe I missed it if somebody already posted this but some of the cities depicted here aren't even remotely Mayan, but all existed during what is called the Classic Era of Mesoamerican civilization. The Mayans never got up into the Valley of Mexico, for example. There's no perfect name for this map, as you can either be succinct or accurate. The most historically correct title might be "Mesoamerica: the Classic Era." It doesn't entirely suck.


I like this name as well, and I really like the map. It has a great feel, warm with a nice pop. Great work as always natty.
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Re: Maya - The Classic Era [24.1.12] p3

Postby natty dread on Thu Feb 02, 2012 4:39 am

Ok, before I change the name of the map (again), is there any input on the proposed sea route bonus?

natty_dread wrote:I was figuring something along the lines of +1 or +2 for holding a sea route (north sea or south sea) and both regions that connect to it. For example, Zempoala - North Sea - Dzibichaltun would give you +1 or +2.
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Re: Maya - The Classic Era [24.1.12] p3

Postby AndyDufresne on Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:21 am

natty_dread wrote:Ok, before I change the name of the map (again), is there any input on the proposed sea route bonus?

natty_dread wrote:I was figuring something along the lines of +1 or +2 for holding a sea route (north sea or south sea) and both regions that connect to it. For example, Zempoala - North Sea - Dzibichaltun would give you +1 or +2.

Hm, it's an alright idea, but really, with the varied way to achieve a bonus on this map already, it might not be needed.

If sea routes were a bonus, do you think that would negate the impact of them being a way to move across the board?


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Re: Maya - The Classic Era [24.1.12] p3

Postby natty dread on Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:38 am

I don't know, if it's just a small bonus it might work. But you're also right, I'm not sure if it's needed.
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