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Re: Is the old guard dead?

Postby strike wolf on Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:25 pm

there's more than two eras of mafia really. these are the time lines that I kind of distinguish.

Era 1: Players like Mandy, Wicked, AK_Iceman, AndyDufresne, Nagerous, LSU Tiger Josh, Nark, Got Tonkaed etc. (about the time I had my first games)

Era 2: I think this is more when players like Safari and Edocsil came into play.

Era 2.5: I think would be around the time I started to become more of a regular in the mafia forums as well as when players like Commander9, Vio, Tails and a couple others started playing.

Era 3: would be around now. We're getting a lot of new players signing up for games right now.

Someone who's been more regular mafia player over the years could probably come up with a more accurate list...there's a lot of people i could consider from Era 1 but it would be too long of a list to get into right now.
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Re: Is the old guard dead?

Postby safariguy5 on Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:40 pm

strike wolf wrote:there's more than two eras of mafia really. these are the time lines that I kind of distinguish.

Era 1: Players like Mandy, Wicked, AK_Iceman, AndyDufresne, Nagerous, LSU Tiger Josh, Nark, Got Tonkaed etc. (about the time I had my first games)

Era 2: I think this is more when players like Safari and Edocsil came into play.

Era 2.5: I think would be around the time I started to become more of a regular in the mafia forums as well as when players like Commander9, Vio, Tails and a couple others started playing.

Era 3: would be around now. We're getting a lot of new players signing up for games right now.

Someone who's been more regular mafia player over the years could probably come up with a more accurate list...there's a lot of people i could consider from Era 1 but it would be too long of a list to get into right now.

Aye, I'm not familiar with Era 1 players as much, but you'd want to add the big time mods (Daring Overlord, Aimless, and probably some of the more notorious people like NES).

The memorable players from Era 2 would be the ones I listed in the earlier post plus maybe a few others.

I'd agree about 2.5 and 3 more or less, if someone were to run a stats project for college or something, I think that a good indicator of forum activity would be the number of games active per set time period (month or so) over the years. Maybe weight them by the number of players per game. Tracking the rise and fall of number of games over time might help us figure out approximately who joined when.

I will say that I think the cutoff between Era 2.5 and 3 would be when Mafia Games were moved to their own forum. Definitely attracted more people, although there was a bit of a delay of a few months.
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Re: Is the old guard dead?

Postby shieldgenerator7 on Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:02 pm

That means I'm from Era 2.5! Yeah!

I signed-up for Com9's UNKNOWN and PCM's Chris Nolan while it was still part of the OT forum, but didn't actually play until Era 3. So I'm one of the first of Era 3
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Re: Is the old guard dead?

Postby edocsil on Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:08 pm

Heh. I can be a dick. I don't consider myself of the Old Guard.

That being said, the older guys are really having a hard time teaching all the newcomers and its getting a bit trying. I think things are now on the upswing, but the community used to have a bit more, character, a few years ago. Duno, it is hard to explain.
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Re: Is the old guard dead?

Postby jgordon1111 on Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:21 pm

I think part of the thing might be,the newer players like myself dont follow the protocols you guys are used to. And I think it may be the cause of some of what is happening in the new games. Dont get upset with us, we are learning and trying it a different way.
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Re: Is the old guard dead?

Postby everywhere116 on Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:01 am

Era 1, who was from era 1? Me, Fircoal, Aimless, Xenhu, Coolalone, PCM, Tellvania, The1exile, VGMaster, spiesr, mandalorian, AK Iceman, gosh, so many.
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Re: Is the old guard dead?

Postby pancakemix on Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:47 am

jgordon1111 wrote:I think part of the thing might be,the newer players like myself dont follow the protocols you guys are used to. And I think it may be the cause of some of what is happening in the new games. Dont get upset with us, we are learning and trying it a different way.


This is also fairly true. Most games on Day 1 end up being a newb lynch because they wanted to vote no lynch to start things off. At the very least, you'll get a newb to claim out of it.
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Re: Is the old guard dead?

Postby Iron Butterfly on Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:34 am

strike wolf wrote:there's more than two eras of mafia really. these are the time lines that I kind of distinguish.

Era 1: Players like Mandy, Wicked, AK_Iceman, AndyDufresne, Nagerous, LSU Tiger Josh, Nark, Got Tonkaed etc. (about the time I had my first games)

Era 2: I think this is more when players like Safari and Edocsil came into play.

Era 2.5: I think would be around the time I started to become more of a regular in the mafia forums as well as when players like Commander9, Vio, Tails and a couple others started playing.

Era 3: would be around now. We're getting a lot of new players signing up for games right now.

Someone who's been more regular mafia player over the years could probably come up with a more accurate list...there's a lot of people i could consider from Era 1 but it would be too long of a list to get into right now.

Could someone please explain why it is so important compartmentalize? So 10 years from now I can look back with pride on the fact that I belonged to era 3 because some noob player in era 10 was an annoying pain in the ass?
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Re: Is the old guard dead?

Postby pmchugh on Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:01 am

thebutterfly wrote:

Heh people like to identify but I don't think anyone will discriminate based on era, well not any more than they do now ;)

thewolf wrote:

As for your groupings, the old eras are cover way more time than the new ones lol. Era 1 or era 2 needs split up.
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Re: Is the old guard dead?

Postby DoomYoshi on Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:28 am

Iron Butterfly wrote:
strike wolf wrote:there's more than two eras of mafia really. these are the time lines that I kind of distinguish.

Era 1: Players like Mandy, Wicked, AK_Iceman, AndyDufresne, Nagerous, LSU Tiger Josh, Nark, Got Tonkaed etc. (about the time I had my first games)

Era 2: I think this is more when players like Safari and Edocsil came into play.

Era 2.5: I think would be around the time I started to become more of a regular in the mafia forums as well as when players like Commander9, Vio, Tails and a couple others started playing.

Era 3: would be around now. We're getting a lot of new players signing up for games right now.

Someone who's been more regular mafia player over the years could probably come up with a more accurate list...there's a lot of people i could consider from Era 1 but it would be too long of a list to get into right now.

Could someone please explain why it is so important compartmentalize? So 10 years from now I can look back with pride on the fact that I belonged to era 3 because some noob player in era 10 was an annoying pain in the ass?

There are 2 main purposes. Purpose 1 is to show who has been around the longest.
The second would be to help understand the history of the mafia forum. Games here are quite different than the games on mafiascum. So, if you wanted to test a hypothesis to see if there was divergent evolution or they started differently, you could ask players from the different eras and test your hypothesis. When I started, busdriver seemed like the most common role, now they are slowly being faded out it seems. Also, games started as generally unthemed and have worked to where even games with no theme (Rated M or Hectic Eclectic for instance) are still themed.
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Re: Is the old guard dead?

Postby AndyDufresne on Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:05 am

everywhere116 wrote:Era 1, who was from era 1? Me, Fircoal, Aimless, Xenhu, Coolalone, PCM, Tellvania, The1exile, VGMaster, spiesr, mandalorian, AK Iceman, gosh, so many.

If this is era 1, then there might be an Era Zero...

From my old records:

Proven Players:

dagreatbroomhead
AK_Iceman
Fireside Poet
Haydena
Machiavelli
Moz976
Phobia
Reverend_kyle
Sully800
Wicked
Marvaddin
Bogusbet
Freetymes
Houssamthegreat
Master Bush
Supercram
Autoload
Trestain
Incandenza
Spiesr


Players that were on their way:

Dussle
jaydog
Telvannia
Mightyal
Spring1
XenHu
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Re: Is the old guard dead?

Postby pmchugh on Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:25 am

AndyDufresne wrote:
everywhere116 wrote:Era 1, who was from era 1? Me, Fircoal, Aimless, Xenhu, Coolalone, PCM, Tellvania, The1exile, VGMaster, spiesr, mandalorian, AK Iceman, gosh, so many.

If this is era 1, then there might be an Era Zero...

From my old records:

Proven Players:

dagreatbroomhead
AK_Iceman
Fireside Poet
Haydena
Machiavelli
Moz976
Phobia
Reverend_kyle
Sully800
Wicked
Marvaddin
Bogusbet
Freetymes
Houssamthegreat
Master Bush
Supercram
Autoload
Trestain
Incandenza
Spiesr


Players that were on their way:

Dussle
jaydog
Telvannia
Mightyal
Spring1
XenHu
Backglass



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Yeah this is what I mean, I think wicked, sully800 and speisr are the only ones I ever played with there.

The list everywhere gives has more people in it, but still isn't the crowd I remember.

iliad, ga7, talapus, nag, anarkistdream, skoff, skittles, lord voldemort has to be another era.

Then there are players like william18, thezzarus, stroop and me. Honestly there is too many different groups, I would have to say the best way to categorise would be by forum posted in:

Era 1: Off topics
Era 2: Forum games
Era 3: Mafia games
Era 4: Mafia forum
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Re: Is the old guard dead?

Postby Iron Butterfly on Wed Mar 07, 2012 1:06 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:
Iron Butterfly wrote:
strike wolf wrote:there's more than two eras of mafia really. these are the time lines that I kind of distinguish.

Era 1: Players like Mandy, Wicked, AK_Iceman, AndyDufresne, Nagerous, LSU Tiger Josh, Nark, Got Tonkaed etc. (about the time I had my first games)

Era 2: I think this is more when players like Safari and Edocsil came into play.

Era 2.5: I think would be around the time I started to become more of a regular in the mafia forums as well as when players like Commander9, Vio, Tails and a couple others started playing.

Era 3: would be around now. We're getting a lot of new players signing up for games right now.

Someone who's been more regular mafia player over the years could probably come up with a more accurate list...there's a lot of people i could consider from Era 1 but it would be too long of a list to get into right now.

Could someone please explain why it is so important compartmentalize? So 10 years from now I can look back with pride on the fact that I belonged to era 3 because some noob player in era 10 was an annoying pain in the ass?

There are 2 main purposes. Purpose 1 is to show who has been around the longest.
The second would be to help understand the history of the mafia forum. Games here are quite different than the games on mafiascum. So, if you wanted to test a hypothesis to see if there was divergent evolution or they started differently, you could ask players from the different eras and test your hypothesis. When I started, busdriver seemed like the most common role, now they are slowly being faded out it seems. Also, games started as generally unthemed and have worked to where even games with no theme (Rated M or Hectic Eclectic for instance) are still themed.

Yes History is good. I also agree that watching how things evolve over time as far as game play is also interesting.
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Re: Is the old guard dead?

Postby Master Bush on Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:09 pm

Andy pretty much nailed it. That core of players were the original mafia crew. What makes the game fun is playing with a group of people you know, and building reads on them over time. Playing a new game with 8-12 that I don't even know is not fun.
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Re: Is the old guard dead?

Postby dazza2008 on Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:36 pm

Master Bush wrote:Andy pretty much nailed it. That core of players were the original mafia crew. What makes the game fun is playing with a group of people you know, and building reads on them over time. Playing a new game with 8-12 that I don't even know is not fun.


I kind of agree with this. We play in our clan forum all the time and it is pretty fun knowing them all quite well.
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