If What Goes on in People' Bedroom is None of My Business...

[Phatscotty]

This issue is not about women. It's about forcing religious institutions to accept insurance who make birth control methods mandatory. That is why you saw a bunch of men, because they are priests and rabbis etc....

See my point above, but with the added confusion of the word "mandatory", which is at best ambiguous.

Now, of course this is about women. It can also be about other things- religious freedom being one of them, but saying it isn't about women don't make it so. Eye-rolly emoticons simply don't cut it as an argument.

Cutting to the heart of the matter, there are of course female priests and rabbis. Often they tend to be shunned by the male hierarchy, but they exist. Would asking their opinion be so difficult?

Then I guess all these cases will be thrown out, and I guess Obama changed the policy for no reason...

Seven states asked a federal judge Thursday to block an Obama administration mandate that requires birth control coverage for employees of religious-affiliated hospitals, schools and outreach programs.

The lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court of Nebraska, alleges that the new rule violates the First Amendment rights of groups that object to the use of contraceptives.

It marks the first legal challenge filed by states.

The rule, announced as part of the federal health care law, has come under fire from religious groups that object to the use of contraceptives, sterilization and abortion-inducing drugs. In response to the criticism, Obama administration officials have said they will shift the requirement from the employers to health insurers themselves.

Nebraska Attorney General Jon Bruning, a Republican who is running for U.S. Senate, said the administration's regulation "forces of millions of Americans to choose between following religious convictions and complying with federal law.

"We will not stand idly by while out constitutionally guaranteed liberties are discarded by an administration that has sworn to uphold them," he said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46504140/ns ... 0e0QPEgea8

[Night Strike]

2 Questions for Greekdog an done for both Greekdog and Nightstrike.

#1. Do you think that your church has the right to legally prevent your wife from using birth control, even for health reasons?

#2 do they have the right to tell women not of their faith to not use birth control?

#3. Do you think most people or even most low income can afford to pay more for health care?

#4. do you think an abortion to remove an already dead child or to remove a child pre-viability when the mother's life is at serious risk?


#5 have either your wives or girlfriends every used birth control.. for ANY reason at all?

#1: No

#2: No

#3: Irrelevant to the government's mandate. Besides, the government's mandate IS making health care costs go up because it forces everybody to be covered and for the government to decide what they deem should be covered instead of the market and individual needs deciding what should be covered.

#4: If the child is already dead, then it's not an abortion (in the public use of the word). I think abortions should be allowed to prevent the death of the mother (just like murder in self defense or defense of a third party is allowed).

#5: Irrelevant to the government's mandate

[Phatscotty]

They sure are trying to make what goes on in the bedroom my business! They are trying like hell!

[Symmetry]

They sure are trying to make what goes on in the bedroom my business! They are trying like hell!

I*m pretty sure they (whoever they are), are not legislating your bedroom. You're acting kinda crazy on this one.

[Phatscotty]

They sure are trying to make what goes on in the bedroom my business! They are trying like hell!

I*m pretty sure they (whoever they are), are not legislating your bedroom. You're acting kinda crazy on this one.

Overimposing "legislating my bedroom", when that is clearly not the reality or the point, is what is kinda crazy.

[Symmetry]

They sure are trying to make what goes on in the bedroom my business! They are trying like hell!

I*m pretty sure they (whoever they are), are not legislating your bedroom. You're acting kinda crazy on this one.

Overimposing "legislating my bedroom", when that is clearly not the reality or the point, is what is kinda crazy.

Sorry, that didn't make sesne. What were you trying to say?

[The Bison King]

They sure are trying to make what goes on in the bedroom my business! They are trying like hell!

I*m pretty sure they (whoever they are), are not legislating your bedroom. You're acting kinda crazy on this one.

Overimposing "legislating my bedroom", when that is clearly not the reality or the point, is what is kinda crazy.

Sorry, that didn't make sesne. What were you trying to say?

Yeah I have no idea what that's supposed to mean?

[Phatscotty]

It's nothing haven't said 3 times before. Just trying to say it a fourth way.

If What Goes on in other People' Bedroom is None of My Business...Then neither is the contraception methods, supplies, or the consequences of what goes on in other people's bedroom.

If you expect privacy when it comes to who you sleep with or for what reasons, then you should not expect the public to be involved with or responsible for or even pay for the contraception methods, supplies, or the consequences of what happens in that bedroom.

[natty dread]

If What Goes on in other People' Bedroom is None of My Business...Then neither is the contraception methods, supplies, or the consequences of what goes on in other people's bedroom.

Ok... so let me see if I'm reading this right.

You're saying that if you don't get to dictate the sexual habits of other people, then... what, you don't get to dictate the contraception methods of other people either? You know what, I actually agree. You don't get to dictate either.

[Lootifer]

If What Goes on in other People' Bedroom is None of My Business...Then neither is the contraception methods, supplies, or the consequences of what goes on in other people's bedroom.

Ok... so let me see if I'm reading this right.

You're saying that if you don't get to dictate the sexual habits of other people, then... what, you don't get to dictate the contraception methods of other people either? You know what, I actually agree. You don't get to dictate either.

Yeh but you are missing the next step where he says that encouraging safe sex, therefore, should be eliminated.

[natty dread]

If What Goes on in other People' Bedroom is None of My Business...Then neither is the contraception methods, supplies, or the consequences of what goes on in other people's bedroom.

Ok... so let me see if I'm reading this right.

You're saying that if you don't get to dictate the sexual habits of other people, then... what, you don't get to dictate the contraception methods of other people either? You know what, I actually agree. You don't get to dictate either.

Yeh but you are missing the next step where he says that encouraging safe sex, therefore, should be eliminated.

That's all I can say about that.

[PLAYER57832]

It's nothing haven't said 3 times before. Just trying to say it a fourth way.

If What Goes on in other People' Bedroom is None of My Business...Then neither is the contraception methods, supplies, or the consequences of what goes on in other people's bedroom.

If you expect privacy when it comes to who you sleep with or for what reasons, then you should not expect the public to be involved with or responsible for or even pay for the contraception methods, supplies, or the consequences of what happens in that bedroom.

Except Medical care is what is under discussion here, not what goes on in your bedroom.

and sorry, but you don't have the right to dictate my medical care, even if taxes were paying for it.

BUT, because this particular kind of medical care is for women only, somehow it gets excluded? That is why it came up as a civil right issue along with being a medical issue.

[PLAYER57832]

If What Goes on in other People' Bedroom is None of My Business...Then neither is the contraception methods, supplies, or the consequences of what goes on in other people's bedroom.

Ok... so let me see if I'm reading this right.

You're saying that if you don't get to dictate the sexual habits of other people, then... what, you don't get to dictate the contraception methods of other people either? You know what, I actually agree. You don't get to dictate either.

Yeh but you are missing the next step where he says that encouraging safe sex, therefore, should be eliminated.

he is missing the part where you recognize that the pill called the "birth control pill" is about a LOT more than just preventing pregnancy in women. But gee... I guess its OK to have an opinion without getting all the facts.

[Night Strike]

It's nothing haven't said 3 times before. Just trying to say it a fourth way.

If What Goes on in other People' Bedroom is None of My Business...Then neither is the contraception methods, supplies, or the consequences of what goes on in other people's bedroom.

If you expect privacy when it comes to who you sleep with or for what reasons, then you should not expect the public to be involved with or responsible for or even pay for the contraception methods, supplies, or the consequences of what happens in that bedroom.

Except Medical care is what is under discussion here, not what goes on in your bedroom.

and sorry, but you don't have the right to dictate my medical care, even if taxes were paying for it.

BUT, because this particular kind of medical care is for women only, somehow it gets excluded? That is why it came up as a civil right issue along with being a medical issue.

So now the nebulous phrase of "medical care" is being used to justify any mandate the federal government chooses to enact? Hmm....didn't all of us conservatives warn against this??

And this issue has exactly NOTHING to do with medical care. As the liberals are quick to point out, approximately 98% of people use or have used some form of contraception. This means there is NOT a lack of access to contraception. Furthermore, if the prescription is being used for actual medical issues, that IS covered by insurance. Even insurance provided by religious organizations. In light of those facts, it becomes clear that this issue is only an assault on religious freedoms in order to give the government the power to unconstitutionally prohibit the free exercise of religion.

[Symmetry]

It's nothing haven't said 3 times before. Just trying to say it a fourth way.

If What Goes on in other People' Bedroom is None of My Business...Then neither is the contraception methods, supplies, or the consequences of what goes on in other people's bedroom.

If you expect privacy when it comes to who you sleep with or for what reasons, then you should not expect the public to be involved with or responsible for or even pay for the contraception methods, supplies, or the consequences of what happens in that bedroom.

Except Medical care is what is under discussion here, not what goes on in your bedroom.

and sorry, but you don't have the right to dictate my medical care, even if taxes were paying for it.

BUT, because this particular kind of medical care is for women only, somehow it gets excluded? That is why it came up as a civil right issue along with being a medical issue.

So now the nebulous phrase of "medical care" is being used to justify any mandate the federal government chooses to enact? Hmm....didn't all of us conservatives warn against this??

And this issue has exactly NOTHING to do with medical care. As the liberals are quick to point out, approximately 98% of people use or have used some form of contraception. This means there is NOT a lack of access to contraception. Furthermore, if the prescription is being used for actual medical issues, that IS covered by insurance. Even insurance provided by religious organizations. In light of those facts, it becomes clear that this issue is only an assault on religious freedoms in order to give the government the power to unconstitutionally prohibit the free exercise of religion.

Is that really how you see it? That the entire debate is solely an assault on religious freedoms so that the government can prohibit free exercise of religion?

That those who support contraceptive healthcare provision are being paid to have sex, or are plants as part of a conspiracy?