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Re: Mississippi Magnolia State Map

Postby Gillipig on Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:02 pm

First time I'm looking at this map.
Let me start with the positive things I've got to say :).
I like how the symbols look. I'm not sure what their function is since it's not very clear from the legend. But nonetheless they look very well done! You have managed to make the bonus colours look good as well and I like the theme.
Now the bad stuff :).
The lakes, the river and the ocean looks very bad! Especially around the edges. You also need to find something else than just whiteness to surround the playable area with. The white stuff doesn't cut it. You can do a lot of things that will look fine. The gameplay and bonuses aren't clear because the legend is very hard to look at. That's all I can think off for now.
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Re: Mississippi Magnolia State Map

Postby VicFontaine on Wed Feb 29, 2012 4:53 pm

Gillipig wrote:First time I'm looking at this map.
Let me start with the positive things I've got to say :).
I like how the symbols look.


Thank you! We're working very hard. The army marker positions WILL CHANGE graphics and, slightly, positions.

Gillipig wrote:I'm not sure what their function is since it's not very clear from the legend.


Well, the Legend does need some improvement, but the font, we hope, will stay the same. It's a more historic font and, while we can probably do better, this is the best we've found. The map is actually very easy to understand. Just like, say, Stalingrad map, you look at it and go, "WTF!?" But, after you really look at it, and after you play it a few times, you really start to go, "Oh...that makes perfect sense. This is great." Again, as I've said before, we're not going for simplistic, Luxembourg gameplay, but something with more depth and complexity that can make you think you're well in the lead and then...POW...you get nailed from a position that slipped your mind.

But thank you, again, for the kind words. And again, we're working to clear it up more and more.

Gillipig wrote:But nonetheless they look very well done! You have managed to make the bonus colours look good as well and I like the theme.


If you like the "theme," wait until you see the theme fully revealed by the background images in the border states. It'll be fantastic, educational, and if anyone knows anything about Mississippi history and US history, it will just "make sense" and "feel" terrific. Thank you for your kind words.

Gillipig wrote:The lakes, the river and the ocean looks very bad! Especially around the edges.


Not so much. The Gulf will change. We think the Mississippi River looks great as is. We'll discuss other possibilities, but we like the way it looks. Some will like it. Some will not. But since you're the first person to comment about the River looking "very bad," we're going to assume the vast majority like the way it looks and stick with it (since we also like it 8-) ).

The Gulf does need some slight tweaking. The main thing that causes eye-pain, I think, is the color of the boats against the backdrop of the Gulf. Either the boats and the Gulf should change, or just one or the other (70-30 leaning towards the boats, though).

Gillipig wrote:You also need to find something else than just whiteness to surround the playable area with. The white stuff doesn't cut it. You can do a lot of things that will look fine. The gameplay and bonuses aren't clear because the legend is very hard to look at. That's all I can think off for now.


There will be ghosted images that create the "theme" of the map inserted into the off-white border states. However, this has nothing to do with gameplay, so we'll deal with that another time. All to say: definitely.
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Re: Mississippi Magnolia State Map

Postby Seamus Corrigan on Wed Feb 29, 2012 6:41 pm

I'd like to see this map move forward. The primary criticism I would have to offer is that the map is not featuring the South's number one export:

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Re: Mississippi Magnolia State Map

Postby VicFontaine on Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:00 pm

Seamus Corrigan wrote:I'd like to see this map move forward. The primary criticism I would have to offer is that the map is not featuring the South's number one export:

John Boy and Billy


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Re: Mississippi Magnolia State Map

Postby isaiah40 on Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:18 am

I've looked over this a few times now to figure out the best way to rearrange things so you won't need to go so big. Right now you can crop the height down from the 1024 to 1000. So if you can do that and update your supersize application with what sizes you are looking - both small and large- then I will take another look and go from there.

On a side note, I don't think you can use that Elvis image, as it looks like it is either Trademarked, Registered Trademark, or Copy-written.
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Re: Mississippi Magnolia State Map

Postby thenobodies80 on Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:47 am

isaiah40 wrote:On a side note, I don't think you can use that Elvis image, as it looks like it is either Trademarked, Registered Trademark, or Copy-written.


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Re: Mississippi Magnolia State Map

Postby VicFontaine on Sun Mar 04, 2012 1:45 pm

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isaiah40 wrote:On a side note, I don't think you can use that Elvis image, as it looks like it is either Trademarked, Registered Trademark, or Copy-written.


what isaiah said. --> http://www.elvis.com/news/detail.aspx?id=5255


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Re: Mississippi Magnolia State Map

Postby VicFontaine on Wed Mar 07, 2012 5:17 pm

Quick update: Map Manipulator and Board Designer is on a longer vacation than I thought. He'll return around April 7th from extended vacation.

Sorry about this; I was thinking he was only gone for about 10 days. Expect a few more updates and our response to the size limitations by the 2nd week of April.

Thank you for your patience, folks.
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Re: Mississippi Magnolia State Map

Postby Gillipig on Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:57 am

VicFontaine wrote:Quick update: Map Manipulator and Board Designer is on a longer vacation than I thought. He'll return around April 7th from extended vacation.

Sorry about this; I was thinking he was only gone for about 10 days. Expect a few more updates and our response to the size limitations by the 2nd week of April.

Thank you for your patience, folks.

Well this map is still in the melting pot so there's no time table forced on you other than what you put up for yourself.
Hope you can get back to this map because it looks interesting.
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Re: Mississippi Magnolia State Map

Postby VicFontaine on Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:19 am

Gillipig wrote:
VicFontaine wrote:Quick update: Map Manipulator and Board Designer is on a longer vacation than I thought. He'll return around April 7th from extended vacation.

Sorry about this; I was thinking he was only gone for about 10 days. Expect a few more updates and our response to the size limitations by the 2nd week of April.

Thank you for your patience, folks.

Well this map is still in the melting pot so there's no time table forced on you other than what you put up for yourself.
Hope you can get back to this map because it looks interesting.


Thanks. He's about 7,000 miles away so we really won't make fast progress like we were until he's back home. However, we are still tweaking it here and there about once every couple weeks.

We are committed to moving it forward.
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Re: Mississippi Magnolia State Map

Postby army of nobunaga on Sat Mar 10, 2012 4:51 pm

how in the hell is this map still in melting pots... this is proof that the map makers are a good ole boy society.

I do not like Mississippi nor really this map. But I am telling you now it will play better than 50% of the current trash that gets pushed through.
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Re: Mississippi Magnolia State Map

Postby VicFontaine on Sat Mar 10, 2012 5:23 pm

army of nobunaga wrote:how in the hell is this map still in melting pots... this is proof that the map makers are a good ole boy society.

I do not like Mississippi nor really this map. But I am telling you now it will play better than 50% of the current trash that gets pushed through.


Thanks...? I think? :) :lol:

We're working hard to shore a few things up. I still don't know why it's not moved to draft yet. I asked several times. I never heard anything, or if I did, I missed it completely. I think it has enough there that is perfectly playable as it is, more or less. It needs tweaking, sure, but all the foundations are in place.
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Re: Mississippi Magnolia State Map

Postby natty dread on Sat Mar 10, 2012 7:32 pm

VicFontaine wrote:I still don't know why it's not moved to draft yet.


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Re: Mississippi Magnolia State Map

Postby Industrial Helix on Sat Mar 10, 2012 7:52 pm

Do me a favor and pm me when you've dealt with the Elvis copyright image and adjusted the size as per Isaiah's instructions. If you PM me when these things are done I'll be able to move this into Drafts as soon as possible.
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Re: Mississippi Magnolia State Map

Postby VicFontaine on Sat Mar 10, 2012 8:28 pm

Industrial Helix wrote:Do me a favor and pm me when you've dealt with the Elvis copyright image and adjusted the size as per Isaiah's instructions. If you PM me when these things are done I'll be able to move this into Drafts as soon as possible.


Yep I missed it. Thanks! Will do.
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