Zimmerman Sues NBC

[Symmetry]

There is now. A special State Attorney has been appointed, the police chief has stepped down amongst death threats.

I have been arguing with people on FB page "Iluvbeingblack" and Iron Butterfly nailed it. Repeatedly, my morality, charachter or ethics has been called into question. The funniest thing is, my main point on that page has been "We don't have all the information" and "all the facts aren't in" but that was enough to get my life threatened. I also noticed people were posting the home address of the police chief and calling for his lynching. There were many people like there are here, who simply do not believe that there is another side to the story.

Many people I have talked to are sickened by the misinformation. A TYT video with Cenk says that Zimmerman is a white person, when he is clearly a multiracial Hispanic. (is this really how far they have to stretch things to paint white people as racist?) The NY Times has called Zimmerman a "white-hispanic" lol. I guess they are inventing terms now? Forum goers who are used to the filth poster here may not be surprised, but many people are. From what I have seen, most people base all their fantasy facts on the possibility that Zimmerman may have called "them" coons. (was Trayvon alone?) If you ask me, it sounded like he said "fuckin fools". Either way, you can't be sure what he said....but like that matters, right? Even the audio people who isolated the comment and boosted the volume cannot be sure what he said.

Nobody has even heard the other side of the story, yet people are calling for blood and holding skittles rallies all across the country. Of course Obama did not bring any calm to the situation with his comments, and instead further fanned the flames.

This all makes sense if you read the book by Obama's hero "Rules for Radicals" by Saul Alinsky (dedicated on page one to Satan). The media plays by these rules too.

Hmm, bit of an odd take on the story, at least from my perspective. All of the reporting I've read mentioned the racial element, but made no claims that Zimmerman was white. I'm not sure that TYT is really a major news source, so at least from my POV, you're setting up a bit of a strawman, if that's your main bit of evidence.

I guess I'd take issue with the strange claim that somehow the "other side" hasn't been given a chance. It's a bit of an odd claim given that Zimmerman was not charged, and his side was taken at face value until protests saw the case being re-examined.

Also, your argument makes slightly less sense if you think Saul Alinsky is involved in any way at all, and that's with your argument teetering on the edge of incoherence as is.

[Phatscotty]

Symm, the other side of the story is just beginning to be told. The only side most people have is what the super-honest media is reporting, but they almost never try to stir people into a frenzy...right? Why didn't the media report that George was also hospitalized? And just because you haven't seen it yet doesn't mean American media wasn't all over this as a white on black hate crime, because they definitely were. Perhaps you weren't following early enough, but now that we know he is Hispanic, you probably won't see any more reports as to the whiteness of the shooter? And it's not even like this is close to the first time the media has done basically the exact same thing. This is how Progressives operate, we see it over and over and over again, and it's right out of Saul Alinsky's playbook.

what the media reported as a hateful racist white person....(forward to about 40 seconds to skip the commentary)


was actually a black person....


Saul Alinksy strategy is fully in play. Perhaps you would like to get into that? I am more than willing to back it up. So far, you have countered that my argument is incoherent. Let's clear it up shall we?

Zimmermans lawyer finally made a statement yesterday, and now witnesses are starting to speak out about how Trayvon was in fact assaulting George. Spose that will get the witness a few more death threats and accusations that the witness doesn't know what he is talking about and Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson do.

Look at the media pawns go! Wind them up, and they follow orders!





Who needs both sides of the story when you have a mass of people for whom one side of the story is good enough!

A new witness to the Trayvon Martin shooting has come forward, claiming the Florida teen did in fact attack neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman, according to media reports.

(Related: Report: New Audio Surfaces of Trayvon Martin Shooter

Zimmerman has said he shot the 17-year-old in self-defense, though Martin was reportedly carrying only a bag of Skittles and an iced tea when he was killed. Despite a loud national outcry, Zimmerman has not been arrested or charged in Martin’s death.

According to Tampa Bay Fox affiliate WTVT-TV, what the witness says he saw could bolster Zimmerman’s claim that he shot Martin in self-defense:

“The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: ‘help, help…and I told him to stop and I was calling 911,” he said.

Trayvon Martin was in a hoodie; Zimmerman was in red.

The witness only wanted to be identified as “John,” and didn’t not want to be shown on camera.

His statements to police were instrumental, because police backed up Zimmerman’s claims, saying those screams on the 911 call are those of Zimmerman.

“When I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point,” John said.

On Friday night, Zimmerman attorney Craig Sonner appeared on CNN’s “Anderson Cooper 360” and said he client sustained a broken nose and a head laceration on the night of the incident.

“His nose was broken, he sustained injury to his nose and on the back of his head he sustained a cut that was serious enough that probably should have had stitches…it was an injury that was done by Trayvon Martin,” Sonner said.

Watch below, via CNN:

video interview with the witnesses can be found here
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/report- ... zimmerman/

[Symmetry]

Dude, even you will have to admit that that is pretty weak. Zimmerman's side, far from being unheard, was the side that the case was judged on, hence him not being being charged. In the bizarro world you seem to be arguing from, Trayvon Martin's side was heard, and Zimmerman, who again, has not been charged, was somehow silenced.

Indeed you seem to be arguing that actually acknowledging the genuine other side- i.e., Trayvon Martin's side, is somehow the main take, where it's actually the opposition to the official line.

You don't usually buy into authority like this. What gives?

[Phatscotty]

Dude, even you will have to admit that that is pretty weak. Zimmerman's side, far from being unheard, was the side that the case was judged on, hence him not being being charged. In the bizarro world you seem to be arguing from, Trayvon Martin's side was heard, and Zimmerman, who again, has not been charged, was somehow silenced.

Indeed you seem to be arguing that actually acknowledging the genuine other side- i.e., Trayvon Martin's side, is somehow the main take, where it's actually the opposition to the official line.

You don't usually buy into authority like this. What gives?

Yeah symm, just cuz he wasn't charged means that his side of the story has been told to everyone. Of course there is a problem with the official line, which has been "An innocent young black man who just wanted some skittles and tea was hunted down in cold blood by a WHITE wannabe neighborhood patrol who is hiding behind a GUN law along with a police cover-up" Nobody even knew that George had a broken nose and cuts to the back of his head until a few days ago. The media did not want to report that, and they didn't until just recently. I know becuase I have been getting in the faces of MANY people at these Trayvon rallies, and when I ask them how George received his injuries, many of them called me a liar just for saying he was injured and completely refuse to believe the truth. This whole incident happened over a month ago.....yup.....his story, even the most basic facts......totally heard! Oh but if the media reported all of the basic facts of the story, then there wouldn't be any rallies all across the country....right? Then they couldn't control people through fear and racism and turn that into votes....right? Alinsky!!!!!!!!!!


FYI, that side of the story you refer to will not be shared fully until the grand jury starts, and maybe not even then....the police report has not been made public, and only some of the 911 calls have been released.

"Far from unheard"? That is what's bizarro and weak. I will continue to give you a pass because you do not live in America and can't fully grasp the context of what is going on in our media.

[Symmetry]

Dude, even you will have to admit that that is pretty weak. Zimmerman's side, far from being unheard, was the side that the case was judged on, hence him not being being charged. In the bizarro world you seem to be arguing from, Trayvon Martin's side was heard, and Zimmerman, who again, has not been charged, was somehow silenced.

Indeed you seem to be arguing that actually acknowledging the genuine other side- i.e., Trayvon Martin's side, is somehow the main take, where it's actually the opposition to the official line.

You don't usually buy into authority like this. What gives?

Yeah symm, just cuz he wasn't charged means that his side of the story has been told to everyone. Nobody even knew that George had a broken nose and cuts to the back of his head until a few days ago. I know becuae I have been getting in the faces of MANY people at these Trayvon rallies, and when I ask them how George received his injuries, many of them called me a liar just for saying he was injured and completely refuse to believe the truth. This whole incident happened over a month ago.....yup.....his story, even the most basic facts......totally heard! Oh but if the media reported all of the basic facts of the story, then there wouldn't be any rallies all across the country....right?

whats that about weak? bizarro?

FYI, that side of the story you refer to will not be shared fully until the grand jury starts, and maybe not even then....

Perhaps, and I say this carefully, your take on this is perhaps not great if it mostly involves "getting in the faces of MANY people". Take a step back, have a look at less obscure bits of the interwebs, and don't think that I'm your enemy on this. Sanity can be your ally.

[Phatscotty]

Dude, even you will have to admit that that is pretty weak. Zimmerman's side, far from being unheard, was the side that the case was judged on, hence him not being being charged. In the bizarro world you seem to be arguing from, Trayvon Martin's side was heard, and Zimmerman, who again, has not been charged, was somehow silenced.

Indeed you seem to be arguing that actually acknowledging the genuine other side- i.e., Trayvon Martin's side, is somehow the main take, where it's actually the opposition to the official line.

You don't usually buy into authority like this. What gives?

Yeah symm, just cuz he wasn't charged means that his side of the story has been told to everyone. Nobody even knew that George had a broken nose and cuts to the back of his head until a few days ago. I know becuae I have been getting in the faces of MANY people at these Trayvon rallies, and when I ask them how George received his injuries, many of them called me a liar just for saying he was injured and completely refuse to believe the truth. This whole incident happened over a month ago.....yup.....his story, even the most basic facts......totally heard! Oh but if the media reported all of the basic facts of the story, then there wouldn't be any rallies all across the country....right?

whats that about weak? bizarro?

FYI, that side of the story you refer to will not be shared fully until the grand jury starts, and maybe not even then....

Perhaps, and I say this carefully, your take on this is perhaps not great if it mostly involves "getting in the faces of MANY people". Take a step back, have a look at less obscure bits of the interwebs, and don't think that I'm your enemy on this. Sanity can be your ally.

Whatever. You were saying the Zimmermans side has been heard, and I tried to show you how it clearly and in many ways has not been heard and is only just starting to be heard as of yesterday.

As for your new topic of how I describe my experience arguing with Trayvon supporters by "getting in their faces", I'm just following the advice of the President. Like I said earlier, I've already received death threats and been called a hundred different negative and racist names (even here). Excuse me for not describing that experience as "a nice little chit chat"

[Symmetry]

Dude, it's up to you, you can engage with people who disagree with you, and do so fairly, or you can "get in the face" of folk and then complain about how your aggressive tactics (and I'm just going by the way you phrased them here) elicited a response that you, for some reason, found surprisingly to be aggressive.

[Night Strike]

By the way, since when does an angry mob get to decide whether or not a person gets arrested? I thought we had laws, probable cause, and a burden of proof in this country. So much for Constitutional rights when the left gets their hate mobs mobilized.

[Phatscotty]

By the way, since when does an angry mob get to decide whether or not a person gets arrested? I thought we had laws, probable cause, and a burden of proof in this country. So much for Constitutional rights when the left gets their hate mobs mobilized.

The Progressive agenda is 100% opposed to the Constitution. Makes perfect sense if you ask me

[saxitoxin]

I hate to get involved in a CC race war, but - striving for honesty as I do, regardless of where it takes me - I discover that, in in this case, Scott has a factual point. I remain to be convinced on the theoretical point, but am more open to considering it.

- A Google News Archive search of the five year period from March 23, 2006 to March 23, 2011 finds only 5 instances where the phrase "is a white Hispanic" was used.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=u ... 00&bih=799

- A Google News Archive search of the last month finds the phrase was used 342 times.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=u ... 00&bih=799

Was there a recent change in the AP style guide, is a prefix being used to prevent inflaming a competitive constituency or does a white-on-black frame prevent a more compelling and salable story than just another instance of Hispanic-on-Black violence which has become very common (in California at least)?

In any case, I'm not sure how this tangibly relates to America's White-Black President Obama or his campaign against White-White Romney.

[ViperOverLord]

I hate to get involved in a CC race war, but - striving for honesty as I do, regardless of where it takes me - I discover that, in in this case, Scott has a factual point. I remain to be convinced on the theoretical point, but am more open to considering it.

- A Google News Archive search of the five year period from March 23, 2006 to March 23, 2011 finds only 5 instances where the phrase "is a white Hispanic" was used.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=u ... 00&bih=799

- A Google News Archive search of the last month finds the phrase was used 342 times.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=u ... 00&bih=799

Was there a recent change in the AP style guide, is a prefix being used to prevent inflaming a competitive constituency or does a white-on-black frame prevent a more compelling and salable story than just another instance of Hispanic-on-Black violence which has become very common (in California at least)?

In any case, I'm not sure how this tangibly relates to America's White-Black President Obama or his campaign against White-White Romney.

If race was descriptively used at all in hard news AP stories (non editorials) then the AP broke their own sacred standard of not mentioning the race of the alleged attackers or victims (a standard which they enacted approximately a decade ago).

[Phatscotty]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm, why didn't the media use this pictures?

[Borderdawg]

The more one hears of this incident, the more it looks like wannabe cop meets wannabe gangsta, both posture, physical confrontation occurs (whose fault probably never to be determined), wannabe cop has firearm, wannabe gangsta dies. Legitimate shoot? Very gray area. From available info (although I think quite a lot is forthcoming) I'd say it will be at most a manslaughter charge, possibly an acquittal. If he is tried in state court, probably an acquittal. In Fed court, a manslaughter/negligent homicide conviction with little to no actual time. I do believe the media is going overboard to make this seem a white on black crime, and that ain't right. Now, as I said a bit earlier, I do believe there is quite a bit to this story that we don't know yet, so why don't we all take a deep breath, step back and quit all the "all guns bad"/ "kill them all let god sort 'em out" bullshit? From both sides? Please?

[ViperOverLord]

From what I've read: murder is a trumped up charge and the media should be ashamed of themselves for pimping it.

I've read of two eye witness accounts. The first was by a black thirteen year old. He said that he heard the plea for help and then a gun shot and he went into his house and he had his sister call 911. He stated that he did not know which person was yelling for help.

The second eye witness account was anonymous and he/she stated that it was Zimmerman on the ground being attacked. It was Zimmerman who was yelling for help.

And yes, Obama is aware of such accounts, but he is trying to energize his political base ahead of the election.

[Aradhus]

physical confrontation occurs (whose fault probably never to be determined

what the f*ck are you talking about? the 250 lbs guy following the 140 lbs kid kinda determines who is to blame.

the more it looks like wannabe cop meets wannabe gangsta

wannabe cop = big governmnent, interfering in peoples lives. Of course you guys have no problem with that because a wannabe gangsta(Ie- anyone who is black) got what was coming to him.