HP: fight for freedom. Game over. Wizards won.

[mc05025]

If you are going to kill Spartacus tomorrow anyway then it seems silly not to risk to believe me over Spartacus.

This is maybe the smartest thing you've said all day and I completely agree with it. Great point.

According to SPART, he can only see someone if they are performing a night action. So, mc had to perform an action last night.
According to SPART, mc's night action only acts every other night, which means that mc has no night action tonight.
So, according to SPART, we are safe from mc tonight.

If we are to lynch them both, SPART should go first.



Now, the question is, what do you believe? Obviously, thehippo8 will unvote, as he does every time. He swings more than a 70s hippie. But, what will everyone else do? I honestly, think they should both be lynched. I have gotten scummy vibes from both and in no way believe either of them.

Well now. If we lynch Spartacus and he is guilty, then killing me is the stupidest thing I have ever heard at that game. If Spartacus is guilty then I am innocent (because I do not think a mafia would try to kill an other mafia out of the blue). So if he is guilty I will be the only person here that you are completely sure is innocent. Killing me seems more like a suicide

[strike wolf]

Alright, I finally have a minute. Here are my thoughts:

- MC, you shouldn't have lied. The case can be made that lying as town is not always a bad thing. It was here. I think the main problem was you said you were trying to hide something from the mafia. I'm not sure what exactly there was to hide. If you're just a double voter, there's nothing particularly special about that, certainly not enough to justify a lie such as the one you gave.

- Finally, Spart's web is coming undone. As I said yesterday, the claim, I think if communicated properly, could have been somewhat viable. Given the situation was not so ideal, Occam's Razor would suggest otherwise. As such, I stand by my position. Vote Spart

- I'll agree with what some have said that I don't think saf was the target of last night's kill. It's very likely he put his promise to die for town into full swing.

- I'm truly suspicious of those who immediately jumped on MC. There was a reason I wanted the discussion to continue and not have a speed lynch, and given how much debate there was yesterday, I'm amazed it got that far that quickly.

That's all for now. My battery's low and my connection's bad. I'll return later.

Sparts web is coming undone? Are you serious? Sparticas has NOT been caught in a lie. Because he did not mention MCs "day power" does not mean he is lieing. The worst Sparticas can be accused of is poor communication skills.

We now have several instances of MC lieing. Its one thing to make a fake claim out of fear but MCs was deep and intricate..it wasnt some fly by night fake claim. DJ has poked further holes and what I would call damning slips of the pen. In the context presented it is very telling.

DJ made a mistake about two deaths night one...but it is possible that Safari was blocked by MC. So we are now setting a precedent of letting people lie...several times. It was a DEEP DEEP lie. So the next person who gets caught and changes his story can "possibly" get a free pass?

Vote MC

I dont vote lightly and when I do i usually stick to my guns. I withdrew my vote out of real doubt. DJ picked up on some very small things that were very telling. I can not beleive people are giving such leeway to MC.

MC tried to blame folks because they felt we beleived Sparticas over him...NOT because he lied. My vote stands...let the chips fall where they may.

Again I'm pretty sure that Spartacus said his role worked by revealing the role of the person who targeted whom he was randomly switched with. IF this is true and MC is lying and he is the werewolf than the actions would be determined on even numbered nights.

I think we need to lynch MC here. If we lynch Spart we will spend the whole of the game wondering if MC is telling the truth or not.

I know Spart needs to be killed soon too as he will change but I think that can wait till tomorrow or even tonight if we have a Vig.

Honestly neither is completely damning. As mafia Sparta could have known MC's role and paraphrased it into the game.

Either way it's time to put money where my mouth is. Vote Spartacus

[Iron Butterfly]

If I prove I am the double voter are you going to believe me and lynch Spartacus? (or after that you will say that I have a million powers during day and night?)
Because if you are not going to believe me then it means you do not care killing innocent people and losing the game and so I will not bother doing something complicated to help the innocent people.

What I thought in order to prove that I am the double voter and none is helping me is complicated, so some of the people that voted me please answer that question. If the answer is no then I can not do something more and we pretty much deserve to lose the game.

OK heres a lesson about mafia. This appeal about killing innocents falls on deaf ears. If your mafia you will lie.

Please explain explain what you mean by doing "somthing complicated" to help the innocent people.

You are saying that if we dont beleive you that we deserve to lose? why is that? By lieing about your claim and the research involved in your lie you have only yourself to blame for the situaion. You just didnt make somthing up...you went to great pains to research your cover story. It was not just a simple lie. You lied to protect a role that isnt very powerful at all..it is useful for limited situations.

the flip side is that if we lynch you and you are telling the truth the Town doesnt lose anything except a glorified vanilla townie.
If Sparticas is telling the truth we lose a strong investigative role and the chance for you to attack as a werewolf.

yes we have to kill Sparticas if he is telling the truth...but we have nothing to lose if we lynch you.

[mc05025]

If I prove I am the double voter are you going to believe me and lynch Spartacus? (or after that you will say that I have a million powers during day and night?)
Because if you are not going to believe me then it means you do not care killing innocent people and losing the game and so I will not bother doing something complicated to help the innocent people.

What I thought in order to prove that I am the double voter and none is helping me is complicated, so some of the people that voted me please answer that question. If the answer is no then I can not do something more and we pretty much deserve to lose the game.

OK heres a lesson about mafia. This appeal about killing innocents falls on deaf ears. If your mafia you will lie.

Please explain explain what you mean by doing "somthing complicated" to help the innocent people.

You are saying that if we dont beleive you that we deserve to lose? why is that? By lieing about your claim and the research involved in your lie you have only yourself to blame for the situaion. You just didnt make somthing up...you went to great pains to research your cover story. It was not just a simple lie. You lied to protect a role that isnt very powerful at all..it is useful for limited situations.

the flip side is that if we lynch you and you are telling the truth the Town doesnt lose anything except a glorified vanilla townie.
If Sparticas is telling the truth we lose a strong investigative role and the chance for you to attack as a werewolf.

yes we have to kill Sparticas if he is telling the truth...but we have nothing to lose if we lynch you.

Actually after the last statement 'but we have nothing to lose if we lynch you' you do deserve to lose the game if you are innocent.

Killing a Vt at that time of the game is pretty much a disaster. We should kill a scum every day if we want to have hopes. If you kill a VT then there will be 5 dead innocents out of 18 people. If there were 5 death aters out of 18 (I think this is a logical number) then we will be 8 innocents and 5 mafias. The odds will be extremely bad.

Now about my suggestion to prove I am double voter. ( I said it is a bit complicated. You have to read carefully and think what I am saying because I will not going to answer a million questions)

I will use an information that I can not change and that only me know.
There is a fog game
I am playing at a fog game and I have been eliminated and my team is losing. At that game I know the number of the enemy troops of one territory. I can not change that number and none else except me know that number.
My secret vote will be placed depending of that number. So if the secret number (for you) is 3 then the secret vote will be placed at he 3rd person (from the initial list).
When the game end (very soon) you will be able to confirm that I did vote with my secret vote the correct person. So that way you will know that t is me and only me the one who is deciding how to use the secret vote. So you will know that it is me that have the power to double vote.

This is my suggestion although I do not believe you care if I am innocent or not. So I do not think I ll bother doing so as you do not bother to find out if I am innocent or guilty

[Nebuchadnezer]

If I prove I am the double voter are you going to believe me and lynch Spartacus? (or after that you will say that I have a million powers during day and night?)
Because if you are not going to believe me then it means you do not care killing innocent people and losing the game and so I will not bother doing something complicated to help the innocent people.

What I thought in order to prove that I am the double voter and none is helping me is complicated, so some of the people that voted me please answer that question. If the answer is no then I can not do something more and we pretty much deserve to lose the game.

OK heres a lesson about mafia. This appeal about killing innocents falls on deaf ears. If your mafia you will lie.

Please explain explain what you mean by doing "somthing complicated" to help the innocent people.

You are saying that if we dont beleive you that we deserve to lose? why is that? By lieing about your claim and the research involved in your lie you have only yourself to blame for the situaion. You just didnt make somthing up...you went to great pains to research your cover story. It was not just a simple lie. You lied to protect a role that isnt very powerful at all..it is useful for limited situations.

the flip side is that if we lynch you and you are telling the truth the Town doesnt lose anything except a glorified vanilla townie.
If Sparticas is telling the truth we lose a strong investigative role and the chance for you to attack as a werewolf.

yes we have to kill Sparticas if he is telling the truth...but we have nothing to lose if we lynch you.

Honestly, Iron, go back and read what SPARTACUS gave us about his night information. We had to actually pull it out of him, as if he wasn't even really sure what he found out, over a series of posts. Could SPART be that bad of a communicator? And if he is, are we really getting useful information from him? I was willing to give him one night to prove himself. He's fallen flat on his face with his results.

MC - If SPART comes up guilty, that in no way clears you. Don't take my (or anyone else's) attacking SPART as an "innocent" vote for you. You have blatantly lied, and fabricated stories. Iron is right about your deep thought into your lie. As I said, I would rather have you both out of the game, but we can only lynch one. I would like to see your secret vote. It's still means nothing except that you are a double voter...you could still be a mafia double voter. But at least we know where to go, when that secret vote starts getting used to lynch town.

[mc05025]

If Sparticas is telling the truth we lose a strong investigation role and the chance for you to attack as a werewolf.

Are you reading what others say???

1) If Sparticas is telling the truth as you said then I will not be ale to attack as werewolf because as people have mention many times Spartacus said that I can act the even nighs.

2) If Sparticas is telling the truth he will join the bad guys soon (if he has not already joined them that is why he made up his story). So we will not lose a strong investigation role but a role that very soon will an enemy

How about if he is lying?

fast posted Neb

[strike wolf]

Vote count:

L-1McHammer(7): Spartacus, chapcrap, Djfireside, alt, Neb, ???, Iron

Spartacus:(1): MCHammer

With 15 alive, takes 8 to lynch.

[mc05025]

MC - If SPART comes up guilty, that in no way clears you. Don't take my (or anyone else's) attacking SPART as an "innocent" vote for you. You have blatantly lied, and fabricated stories. Iron is right about your deep thought into your lie. As I said, I would rather have you both out of the game, but we can only lynch one. I would like to see your secret vote. It's still means nothing except that you are a double voter...you could still be a mafia double voter. But at least we know where to go, when that secret vote starts getting used to lynch town.

Do you believe there is any possibility both me and Spartacus to be guilty???

I am right saying you do not care to kill innocent people. Actually you do not care to win, you only care to play a way you think is right (and that is killing people that lied).

So if you care to win you should not kill me if you think I am innocent.
If you care to play a way you have learnt even if that means that you will lose the game go ahead and kill me

[Nebuchadnezer]

MC - If SPART comes up guilty, that in no way clears you. Don't take my (or anyone else's) attacking SPART as an "innocent" vote for you. You have blatantly lied, and fabricated stories. Iron is right about your deep thought into your lie. As I said, I would rather have you both out of the game, but we can only lynch one. I would like to see your secret vote. It's still means nothing except that you are a double voter...you could still be a mafia double voter. But at least we know where to go, when that secret vote starts getting used to lynch town.

Do you believe there is any possibility both me and Spartacus to be guilty???

I am right saying you do not care to kill innocent people. Actually you do not care to win, you only care to play a way you think is right (and that is killing people that lied).

So if you care to win you should not kill me if you think I am innocent.
If you care to play a way you have learnt even if that means that you will lose the game go ahead and kill me

You realize this makes no sense, right? You lied. Terribly. I do not think you are innocent. I do not think SPART is innocent either. I think you're both turds, but I can only vote once. So I'm voting the turdier of you two. Consider yourself lucky for now.

[mc05025]

If Spart is mafia and I am mafia then why Spart tried to kill me? Do you think this is logical? And if we are both mafia trying to kill each other ( I am sure I will read that too) then why to reveal that one of us have the power of the double voting? How stupid we can be as a mafia?

If that does not make any sense I do not have any other argument. You are so convinced I should die that you do think anything you are saying

[mc05025]

Vote count:

L-1McHammer(7): Spartacus, chapcrap, Djfireside, alt, Neb, ???, Iron

Spartacus:(1): MCHammer

With 15 alive, takes 8 to lynch.

I unvoted if that is what you want to point out (not my regular vote... my secret one)

[freezie]

Vote count:

L-2McHammer(6): Spartacus, Chapcrap, DJfireside, Hippo, Iron Butterfly, Dazza

L-2Spartacus(6): McHammer, Spiers, Nebuchadnezer, Pancake, Everywhere, Strike


15 alkive, takes 8 to lynch.

[strike wolf]

Vote count:

L-1McHammer(7): Spartacus, chapcrap, Djfireside, alt, Neb, ???, Iron

Spartacus:(1): MCHammer

With 15 alive, takes 8 to lynch.

I unvoted if that is what you want to point out (not my regular vote... my secret one)

Unless I misread Neb seemed to be asking you to show your secret vote. I was merely trying to post where it came up already.

As far as why would Sparta vote for you, to buy himself more time and gain himself more trust in the town's eyes.

[Nebuchadnezer]

Alive:

1) Nebuchadnezer
2) Chapcrap
3) Tails
4) Strike Wolf
5) Safariguys5
6) Drake_259 Replaced by Pancakemix
7) TheHippo8
8 ) Victor SullivanReplaced by Everywhere116
9) Spiesr
10) Bleed Green
13) Mc05025
14) Leehar Replaced by Spartacus#2
15) DJfireside
16) Dazza
17) Alt
18) Iron Butterfly

Dead:
12) Spartacus ( Nymphadora Tonks )
11) Jonty ( Harry Potter )
Replacements:
-MoB Deadly
-trinicardinal

Vote count:

L-2McHammer(6): Spartacus, Chapcrap, DJfireside, Hippo, Iron Butterfly, Dazza

L-2Spartacus(6): McHammer, Spiers, Nebuchadnezer, Pancake, Everywhere, Strike


15 alkive, takes 8 to lynch.

Okay, what are we going to do here? TAILS has went into blatant submarining mode...so I doubt we see a vote from him. Bleed_Green posts once in a while. Alt is around. I would like these three to put there votes out there, so that we can get them on the record. With three of them, we will have a lynch no matter what. So how about it, TAIL, Alt and Bleed_Green?

[freezie]

UNVOTE MC55525

Also Neb, if you're going to unvote, just say unvote. Not unvote: the guy you were voting. I almost called it as a vote on him on this one. thank you