PKMN Chap 2: Day 6(5/18)

[Some7hingCLEVER]

oh and if he hasn't been lynched or banned yet unvote vote loot

he got modkilled.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Okay ill strike a deal here.

if you guys apologize, I will leave.

Apologize for what? The mods will remove you, no one here owes you shit. If anything its time to get on your knees and pray to God, because last I checked it was other religions that forced their word upon others, not Christianity.

I will apologize for one thing. And that is that you wont be apart of the community anymore. Quit trolling, quit spamming, there are hardly any people left that will even respect you enough to not report you, must less apologize.

You really have no right to talk down to him, tbqh. He said your claims had no basis, and you resorted to calling him an idiot and a smart ass rather than actually show the "contradictions".

he told him to read it agian and that is was all right there. i in no way blame ghostly but everyone gets there own opinions.

And that's the wrong answer. Lemme put it this way:

Bob: What's the problem?
Ted: Look.
Bob: I don't see it.
Ted: LOOK.
Bob: Seriously, show me.
Ted: JUST LOOK YOU FUCKING RETARD.

See what I mean?

Well, I had a whole post lined up on how you were all overreacting and how I didn't think Looten had done anything wrong. I actually thought his points were legitimate. So much for that.

I do think he took things too far. But if you can't deal with sarcastic assholes then what the hell am I doing here?

At least you arent trying to tell me my life story after 3 hours of briefly speaking due to me accusing you. I can deal with sarcasm, but when you get accused, that is not the time to become a smart ass.

Looten, your apology is not accepted. I am sorry you decided to come on in and try to explain my life within 3 hours of conversation while I was against you none the less. Can someone check the IP addresses and see if there is a match between this account and eagleblade?

It doesnt work that way. You dont just flame and shit for 30 minutes and then request to be forgiven. Admittedly, I could have stopped anytime I wanted, but I felt when my name was brought up, I needed to defend myself. CLEVER says it well in his apologies.

He did what? I think all he did was tell you you got too serious about a game. Which you did. It doesn't justify what he did, but I know I got a sincere apology. I also know you turned one down because apparently asking forgiveness comes with a waiting period(?)

Also, is it actually night? And why? (Not to belabor the day, just want to know).

last thing ill say tonight.
ghostly did show him the post. and i said i would accept an apology and gave one myself and then never got one so. anyways goodnight hope we live till morning.

[kratos644]

@kratos:

Unfortunately, due to it being night time, you are not allowed to present any cases. You need to be quiet.

@ someone who asked:

I made it night time to give a few days and hopefully people will post less at night and the game will get back on track.

Yeah sorry. I forgot after all the random crap that happened.
Hopefully that's understandable

[shieldgenerator7]

If you apologize Captain Planet I will accept it.

Wow, and I thought I was a troll. Chris Nolan was no where near as bad as this (no offense)

Anyway, here's a story I'm sure you're all familiar with. It's long so I'll post it in spoilers:

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Good night!

-SG7 ( )

[zimmah]

oh and if he hasn't been lynched or banned yet unvote vote loot

he got modkilled.

i know but i posted that based on what a read a few pages before he got modkilled while i was still reading just to make sure i wouldn't forget to post.
and yes it's nighttime.

[DoomYoshi]

The party had walked along route 44 for most of day 1. Oda's forces were constantly following behind. Along the way, a trainer, Mako, had fallen ill. Unfortunately, she had to be left behind. During the night her Snivy was mewing and walking around. Eventually the crying became too much and a sudden SNAP! was heard.

Grass Pokemon were not in favour during the night, as another one was torn apart, piece by piece.

Also, a new deal was struck; Toyotomi Hideyoshi had entered into a bargain with Date Masamune. With this new alliance, the rest of Japan would fall very quickly. It was only a matter of time.

Meanwhile, in a different area of the camp, a series of events occured which was guaranteed to cause confusion the next day.

When the party awoke, they saw they were at the BATTLE PARK!

However, 2 of the party were now missing.

Haggis McMutton, Mako's Snivy has fainted.

pmchugh, Tangela, Town Poison Doctor has fainted.

[strike wolf]

Vote Ghostly Due to the early night I didn't have time to do this yesterday but the reasoning is quite simple. He was wrong about his cases on both me and Kratos. He never bothered addressing my counterargument and simply continued suggesting my probable guilt and when confronted by Kratos about the misinformation, instead of admitting he was wrong, he instead came up with some BS reasoning to try to make it fit.

[pancakemix]

Vote Ghostly Due to the early night I didn't have time to do this yesterday but the reasoning is quite simple. He was wrong about his cases on both me and Kratos. He never bothered addressing my counterargument and simply continued suggesting my probable guilt and when confronted by Kratos about the misinformation, instead of admitting he was wrong, he instead came up with some BS reasoning to try to make it fit.

This is pretty much exactly what I was going to say before the shit hit the fan yesterday. Ghostly isn't making arguments, he's just telling facts and it doesn't matter if they make any sense logically or not. That, I think, is why when Looten said he didn't see any contradictions, ghostly just pushed for him to look again rather than actually just pointing out the contradictions.

Vote Ghostly

[ghostly447]

Hey guys, I am going to attempt to go through this game tomorrow. Been busy (as posted in the vacation thread) so I am sorry that I came in, read 30 pages, dealt with looten, addressed 3-4 cases, got the game moving, and then didnt get time to address another case which would require me going back and rereading the 30 pages.

And to be fair, you are both now marked scummy (unless I havent read claims, or deaths, etc yet) because if you didnt notice, Strike wolf, I may have been wrong about looten, but you (as far as I have read) are not clear.

[ghostly447]

Vote Ghostly Due to the early night I didn't have time to do this yesterday but the reasoning is quite simple. He was wrong about his cases on both me and Kratos. He never bothered addressing my counterargument and simply continued suggesting my probable guilt and when confronted by Kratos about the misinformation, instead of admitting he was wrong, he instead came up with some BS reasoning to try to make it fit.

This is pretty much exactly what I was going to say before the shit hit the fan yesterday. Ghostly isn't making arguments, he's just telling facts and it doesn't matter if they make any sense logically or not. That, I think, is why when Looten said he didn't see any contradictions, ghostly just pushed for him to look again rather than actually just pointing out the contradictions.

Vote Ghostly

You make no logical sense PCM.
1. Facts are what drive a case, thank you for the boost.
2. I was trying to prove he was just being a smart-ass using the dictionary definition instead of going back, looking, and seeing that I was accusing him of drawing scummy stuff from his previous post.

This isnt a case, this is a flat out bandwagon, and you guys are giving some pretty poor evidence considering I posted in the vacation thread explaining my absence and anyone who looked back at my case against him could have seen what I meant.

[kratos644]

Well I'm going to repost what I said when I didn't realize it was night and give ghostly a chance to respond but if his response continues to be a bunch of bs then I'm going to move my vote in his direction

My original responses=blue
Ghostly's responses=red
My new responses=pink

Going through, Kranos mentioned somewhere (P.23 somewhere) saying "going against the grain was not good". Well, I feel that this is quite scummy personally. Because last I checked, Zimmah went against the grain. And he was released after getting a few votes on him, with no claim, and really no results.

Just out of curiosity did you actually read the case I presented or just skim through it? I didn't say that "Going against the grain was not good." That makes it sound like a general thing and that every time someone does it's a bad thing which certainly isn't true. My case, if you would read it, talked about how he was saying things that appeared like he was making it sound as if he was trying to seek out cases while still applying pressure to the case he wanted to make him look town. Yes there was also parts about him stagnating the game from continuing on with the zimmah case as well.

I did in fact read it. Sorry, 30 pages is quite a bit to read through and summarize in as little as I did. So wait, your case was about PMC saying things that made it appear that he was in fact looking for cases while still applying pressure to the first case? Well, that is the point of the game isnt it? Pursue the current case until a better one shows up. By continuing pressure, it allowed for another case to build, granted it backfired and almost led to him being the D1 lynch, but obviously he had town benefit in mind by seeking other cases. Thanks for giving me that point

Sigh... Notice how I said the things he was saying was him "Trying to make it sound as if he was actively scumhunting while he wasn't" At the time I made the case that was what I believed him to be doing which was the driving reason behind me making it. I was pointing out how he was trying to sound like town when really I believed him to be scum(obviously since I voted him and made a case against him but we've had issues this game with people understanding that.) There is a difference between actually seeking out cases and trying to appear to be seeking out cases to appear to be town and when I made the case against him that was what I believed he was doing.

What is really tricky is how Some7hingCLEVER continues to post a bunch of fluff to appear active but has no real substance to add anywhere...

True..But you know what is also really tricky? The fact that you were heading the case just 2 pages ago and now others are taking control and you are no longer really pushing on PMC. Funny how things like that work. You know, switching pressure everywhere by taking majority thought (everyone hates the pressure on Zimmah) and applying it to the person continuing to pressure.

What's even trickier than this though is how you're trying to twist things. Yes I was heading the case 2 pages ago but there weren't really any new developments for me to respond to and I was starting to get a much more null read on PMC at that point so there wasn't much to be said about that from me. And soon after he asked for time to create a solid defense for things which he did. Why would I continue to push that?

You didnt. I am just saying you directed pressure from zimmah onto PMC. You are in fact twisting my words, because here is my post:

Guys, Kranos is pushing this case hard. Such like a few pushed against Zimmah, and in the end, PMC was stuck as the next case just because he was finishing the case EVERYONE ELSE started.

Also, you must very much consider that my post against you was made before you backed off. Remember? I am a replacement.

Would you mind clarifying the underlined portion for me? The way it reads, it sounds like you're saying you made a post about me and then I backed off, but you weren't even in the game before I backed off the PMC case... Are you saying that you made that post you italicized prior to reading the part where I backed off PMC?

As far as me "twisting your words" I obviously wasn't referencing the post you quoted because hey I didn't quote that one... You see most people tend to quote the post they're responding to not some random one.

And one more thought. If I was going with majority thought, why were there only 2 votes on PMC before I made my case and if you look I mentioned that I was working on a case(the one on PMC prior to him having any votes at all.

Kratos - Seems to direct the flow but never finish out his cases.

First you say "cases" I've presented the one case on PMC and while I may have directed the flow on that why would I finish out a case that was then adequately defended and I now believe the player is town... I'm not going to continue to push for a lynch of someone who I don't believe to be scum that's just stupid. I know maybe if I had said somewhere that PMC's response was good enough for me and that I no longer wanted to vote for him. Then we wouldn't have this confusion I bet.

Alright. PMC, your response has satisfied me so my vote will be remaining off of you for now.

Oh wait I did say that. Hmm... Why are we having this confusion then? Either you've been really skimming or you're trying to attack the people who have been talking about clever as seeming scummy. aka SW and I

Oh, but wait. I could have sworn that my case was that you seemed to be directing the flow from switching the case from zimmah to PMC. oh, whats that? You have it quoted above? I will highlight in in green. Thank you for that.

Yes because so many people were on the Zimmah case that it took some expert manipulating by me to swing everyone over to the PMC case. And yes as you said, what you said is quoted above. You clearly mentioned how I don't finish my case"s" but why would I finish a case where I think the person who would get lynched is town? That's just silly. As for directing the flow in general though. Doesn't any case attempt to do such? Can I now say you're scummy because you're trying to direct the flow towards me? That seems rather ridiculous to me.

Clever jumps all over the board with activity. Some games, he is inactive. Others, he is half active, half inactive. Most, he attempts to make the cases and figure out everything as he goes, and does relatively okay. In this case, I think he is trying to give little imput. Maybe either because he doesnt think the cases given are good ones, maybe because he is scum. He is not on the top of my list of potential scum.

This is just to further my point about you protecting clever. Here you're trying to sort of protect by saying he's not high on your list of potential scum/you don't think he's acting to scummy yet you also say that maybe he's acting the way he his because he is scum to kind of cover your tracks. I find this quite scummy in itself but unfortunately it is built around clever being scum so he would have to first be lynched to figure things out but if he does come up scum at some point you're my first target for a case.

Twisting my words again? Very much so. I did in fact say that he may or may not be scum. But I believe I also said that in some games he is hyper active, and in some inactive. Oh, I did. Here, I will highlight in cyan.

Not really sure what your highlighted part has to do with anything I mentioned. Yes you did also say that but it was irrelevant to the point I was bringing up and also not twisting your words in any way at all... I was just saying how they appear to me and to me it appears you're trying to protect a scum buddy while also leaving yourself a way out in case he gets lynched.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Vote Ghostly Due to the early night I didn't have time to do this yesterday but the reasoning is quite simple. He was wrong about his cases on both me and Kratos. He never bothered addressing my counterargument and simply continued suggesting my probable guilt and when confronted by Kratos about the misinformation, instead of admitting he was wrong, he instead came up with some BS reasoning to try to make it fit.

really thats your case? thats probably the worst case i have ever heard.

bob- i think your scum
steve- nahh your wrong that means your scum

and you cant prove he is wrong he made a case on a few players and he got one wrong. is that a suprise?
ok well id like to see you do it. pick three players and if there all mafia then your point is valid. you cant prove that he was wrong and if you turn up mafia then i will go after kratos with a firey passion. and probably even if you dont turn up scum. but right now your at the top of my list vote strike wolf

[shieldgenerator7]

I think ghostly needs more time to recover. I'm not voting for him just yet.

About the day scene:

The party had walked along route 44 for most of day 1. Oda's forces were constantly following behind. Along the way, a trainer, Mako, had fallen ill. Unfortunately, she had to be left behind. During the night her Snivy was mewing and walking around. Eventually the crying became too much and a sudden SNAP! was heard.

Haggis was Mako's Snivy?! Is that a role? I mean it didn't say what he could do, so I guess he has to get unlocked or something?
Flavor suggests he died by jaws or neck breaking, it seems

Grass Pokemon were not in favour during the night, as another one was torn apart, piece by piece.

And the poison doctor died. The inclusion of this role suggests we have a poisoner, so I guess we'll have 3 kills N2.
Flavor suggests CUT or something similar

Also, a new deal was struck; Toyotomi Hideyoshi had entered into a bargain with Date Masamune. With this new alliance, the rest of Japan would fall very quickly. It was only a matter of time.

This sounds like a recruitment. We might have a cult this game. It would make sense flavor wise but would be difficult to combat if not taken care of early.

Meanwhile, in a different area of the camp, a series of events occured which was guaranteed to cause confusion the next day.

When the party awoke, they saw they were at the BATTLE PARK!
However, 2 of the party were now missing.

What's gonna happen to us?!

-SG7 ( )

[ghostly447]

Well I'm going to repost what I said when I didn't realize it was night and give ghostly a chance to respond but if his response continues to be a bunch of bs then I'm going to move my vote in his direction

My original responses=blue
Ghostly's responses=red
My new responses=pink

Going through, Kranos mentioned somewhere (P.23 somewhere) saying "going against the grain was not good". Well, I feel that this is quite scummy personally. Because last I checked, Zimmah went against the grain. And he was released after getting a few votes on him, with no claim, and really no results.

Just out of curiosity did you actually read the case I presented or just skim through it? I didn't say that "Going against the grain was not good." That makes it sound like a general thing and that every time someone does it's a bad thing which certainly isn't true. My case, if you would read it, talked about how he was saying things that appeared like he was making it sound as if he was trying to seek out cases while still applying pressure to the case he wanted to make him look town. Yes there was also parts about him stagnating the game from continuing on with the zimmah case as well.

I did in fact read it. Sorry, 30 pages is quite a bit to read through and summarize in as little as I did. So wait, your case was about PMC saying things that made it appear that he was in fact looking for cases while still applying pressure to the first case? Well, that is the point of the game isnt it? Pursue the current case until a better one shows up. By continuing pressure, it allowed for another case to build, granted it backfired and almost led to him being the D1 lynch, but obviously he had town benefit in mind by seeking other cases. Thanks for giving me that point

Sigh... Notice how I said the things he was saying was him "Trying to make it sound as if he was actively scumhunting while he wasn't" At the time I made the case that was what I believed him to be doing which was the driving reason behind me making it. I was pointing out how he was trying to sound like town when really I believed him to be scum(obviously since I voted him and made a case against him but we've had issues this game with people understanding that.) There is a difference between actually seeking out cases and trying to appear to be seeking out cases to appear to be town and when I made the case against him that was what I believed he was doing.

What is really tricky is how Some7hingCLEVER continues to post a bunch of fluff to appear active but has no real substance to add anywhere...

True..But you know what is also really tricky? The fact that you were heading the case just 2 pages ago and now others are taking control and you are no longer really pushing on PMC. Funny how things like that work. You know, switching pressure everywhere by taking majority thought (everyone hates the pressure on Zimmah) and applying it to the person continuing to pressure.

What's even trickier than this though is how you're trying to twist things. Yes I was heading the case 2 pages ago but there weren't really any new developments for me to respond to and I was starting to get a much more null read on PMC at that point so there wasn't much to be said about that from me. And soon after he asked for time to create a solid defense for things which he did. Why would I continue to push that?

You didnt. I am just saying you directed pressure from zimmah onto PMC. You are in fact twisting my words, because here is my post:

Guys, Kranos is pushing this case hard. Such like a few pushed against Zimmah, and in the end, PMC was stuck as the next case just because he was finishing the case EVERYONE ELSE started.

Also, you must very much consider that my post against you was made before you backed off. Remember? I am a replacement.

Would you mind clarifying the underlined portion for me? The way it reads, it sounds like you're saying you made a post about me and then I backed off, but you weren't even in the game before I backed off the PMC case... Are you saying that you made that post you italicized prior to reading the part where I backed off PMC?

As far as me "twisting your words" I obviously wasn't referencing the post you quoted because hey I didn't quote that one... You see most people tend to quote the post they're responding to not some random one.

And one more thought. If I was going with majority thought, why were there only 2 votes on PMC before I made my case and if you look I mentioned that I was working on a case(the one on PMC prior to him having any votes at all.

Kratos - Seems to direct the flow but never finish out his cases.

First you say "cases" I've presented the one case on PMC and while I may have directed the flow on that why would I finish out a case that was then adequately defended and I now believe the player is town... I'm not going to continue to push for a lynch of someone who I don't believe to be scum that's just stupid. I know maybe if I had said somewhere that PMC's response was good enough for me and that I no longer wanted to vote for him. Then we wouldn't have this confusion I bet.

Alright. PMC, your response has satisfied me so my vote will be remaining off of you for now.

Oh wait I did say that. Hmm... Why are we having this confusion then? Either you've been really skimming or you're trying to attack the people who have been talking about clever as seeming scummy. aka SW and I

Oh, but wait. I could have sworn that my case was that you seemed to be directing the flow from switching the case from zimmah to PMC. oh, whats that? You have it quoted above? I will highlight in in green. Thank you for that.

Yes because so many people were on the Zimmah case that it took some expert manipulating by me to swing everyone over to the PMC case. And yes as you said, what you said is quoted above. You clearly mentioned how I don't finish my case"s" but why would I finish a case where I think the person who would get lynched is town? That's just silly. As for directing the flow in general though. Doesn't any case attempt to do such? Can I now say you're scummy because you're trying to direct the flow towards me? That seems rather ridiculous to me.

Clever jumps all over the board with activity. Some games, he is inactive. Others, he is half active, half inactive. Most, he attempts to make the cases and figure out everything as he goes, and does relatively okay. In this case, I think he is trying to give little imput. Maybe either because he doesnt think the cases given are good ones, maybe because he is scum. He is not on the top of my list of potential scum.

This is just to further my point about you protecting clever. Here you're trying to sort of protect by saying he's not high on your list of potential scum/you don't think he's acting to scummy yet you also say that maybe he's acting the way he his because he is scum to kind of cover your tracks. I find this quite scummy in itself but unfortunately it is built around clever being scum so he would have to first be lynched to figure things out but if he does come up scum at some point you're my first target for a case.

Twisting my words again? Very much so. I did in fact say that he may or may not be scum. But I believe I also said that in some games he is hyper active, and in some inactive. Oh, I did. Here, I will highlight in cyan.

Not really sure what your highlighted part has to do with anything I mentioned. Yes you did also say that but it was irrelevant to the point I was bringing up and also not twisting your words in any way at all... I was just saying how they appear to me and to me it appears you're trying to protect a scum buddy while also leaving yourself a way out in case he gets lynched.

Pyramid is getting a little too big for my liking so I will continue to post down here.

Point 1
Sigh... Notice how I said the things he was saying was him "Trying to make it sound as if he was actively scumhunting while he wasn't" At the time I made the case that was what I believed him to be doing which was the driving reason behind me making it. I was pointing out how he was trying to sound like town when really I believed him to be scum(obviously since I voted him and made a case against him but we've had issues this game with people understanding that.) There is a difference between actually seeking out cases and trying to appear to be seeking out cases to appear to be town and when I made the case against him that was what I believed he was doing.

Sigh. Okay, well here is my point (since you pretty much rambled on about how you thought that he was scum for..trying to make cases..to seem towny.). I know from playing with PMC that his game play does not change when he is mafia, or town. But I do not see why, if he were mafia, he wouldnt accept any new cases. In my opinion, if he is truly thinking zimmah is mafia, and not changing his opinion on it till he gets a claim (or in this case, the argument blown back at himself), then there is a very good reason to beleive zimmah is mafia, or PMC is just not as careful as he was...Last night playing RT .

Point 2
Would you mind clarifying the underlined portion for me? The way it reads, it sounds like you're saying you made a post about me and then I backed off, but you weren't even in the game before I backed off the PMC case... Are you saying that you made that post you italicized prior to reading the part where I backed off PMC?

As far as me "twisting your words" I obviously wasn't referencing the post you quoted because hey I didn't quote that one... You see most people tend to quote the post they're responding to not some random one.

And one more thought. If I was going with majority thought, why were there only 2 votes on PMC before I made my case and if you look I mentioned that I was working on a case(the one on PMC prior to him having any votes at all.

Sure. For everyones memory, I am a replacement. I had to come in and read 30 pages. Something I did not plan to do in 1 night. Kranos, either you do not get my posts of "I am stopping on page 23 for tonight" or you skimmed. Since there are 3 of them, I believe it is skimming since you never asked "What do you mean?". So, here. As an example:

Got halfway through page 23 guys. I have quite a few notes. I will finish reading tomorrow and post everything, but here are all the notes I have so far (bit unorganized of course guys).

SG7 - Trying to move on from the Zimmah/Freezie case by finding an inactive and trying to go from there (during open discussion) -Tails-
PMC - Said his case on SG7 was better than any others (around page 18). His only reason is that SG7 said "I think the case may be worth looking into, but I wont vote"...PMC, I do this all the time, I even did it in Power Roles. I feel it is a safety net to not only make sure you are going to get a decent case, but to also not reveal a Power Role.
Zimmah - OVer reaction in my opinion. Maybe a lyncher, maybe scum. Or maybe he actually did try to change up as to avoid getting "flamed".
Freezie - I dont like the way freezie has let others do his talking for him. Its like he is trying to fade out now.

Zimmah Page 20 votes PMC to attempt to change direction of thought

Freezie and PMC both attempt to keep subject on Zimmah while Zimmah attempts to change the direction of thought to another player. Freezie also tries to build something against Victor.

*Freezie and VS connection??? Freezie's random vote on VS for "The sake of lynching someone" still not removed for a VERY long time.

Page 21: Edoc Says he will vote the next person to bring up the case. Very strong feeling about this. Connection Edoc with Freezie or Zimmah?

Page 23: Freezie separates from PMC. Page 24?: PMC Asks is it the best case (against him) that they can get? When clearly its been established people would rather move on from Zimmah.


Like I said, still reading, but I took these as I went through.

So, that is 1/3 posts buddy. You skimmed through them, and that is 100% confirmed fact. So yes, I made the post against you before I got to where you backed off. And I could swear I posted that...oh wait, I did. BIG POST THAT STARTS WITH "Im truly surprised others didnt pick up". Just scroll down to the bottom, after the last quote, the second paragraph:

Nearly done with Page 28, just a couple more posts. 1 thing I must say is that PCM from my experience is rather inactive. Nothing that I can truly pin him for, but in my opinion, PMC v PCM seems to be a town v town case.

STARTING SECOND PARAGRAPH OF POINT 2
As far as me "twisting your words" I obviously wasn't referencing the post you quoted because hey I didn't quote that one... You see most people tend to quote the post they're responding to not some random one.

Kratos, you are a silly one arent you? I do post my responses to the intended quote, and not a random one. I am doing it here, I did it in the post prior, where I accused the 4 people, and I will always do it for big posts like this. Dont you love how you kill yourself? This is the second big post where none of your points have held up, and I see the exact same players defending you every time (some of the ones I accused by basically all ganging up on my at once and expecting me to magically re-read through 30 pages and reply to 3 major cases).

And one more thought. If I was going with majority thought, why were there only 2 votes on PMC before I made my case and if you look I mentioned that I was working on a case(the one on PMC prior to him having any votes at all.

God, some people piss me off. Okay Kratos, I will go back for you and get some posts about people getting tired of the Zimmah case and wanting to vote the next person to repost about the zimmah case. If you truly think I must do that to make your life easier and show you why you should lose this point too. For now, I am in school, and this will be probably my only big case (only 1 more max after this methinks).

Point 4
Yes because so many people were on the Zimmah case that it took some expert manipulating by me to swing everyone over to the PMC case. And yes as you said, what you said is quoted above. You clearly mentioned how I don't finish my case"s" but why would I finish a case where I think the person who would get lynched is town? That's just silly. As for directing the flow in general though. Doesn't any case attempt to do such? Can I now say you're scummy because you're trying to direct the flow towards me? That seems rather ridiculous to me.

Okay, lets pretend we arent all egotistic in here, alright? It took some expert manipulating?

END THIS SHIT.


I don't know how to say this any clearer. The case on Zimmah has been beaten to death, and will not result in a lynch. I am voting the next idiot who mentions it. Make a new case. and drop this steaming pile.

Oh yes, I see how with posts like this one how it could be so dificult to manipulate the case and point it in PMC's direction (when in fact, PMC was the next to talk about it in depth if my memory serves me well).

Why would you finish a case where you think the person who would get lynched is town? Well I dont know buddy, but here is the thing. You have gotten 0 claims out of the Zimmah case, the PMC case, and now this case (so far). If you dont get claims, you will never catch mafia for a day lynch, and your cases will never get further than "I think he is town". You dont have to lynch someone you think is town, just get them to claim when you get them as far as L-2 or L-1. Why the hell would you lead a case, get to L-2, and say "I dont need a claim, I think he is town"???

Any case attempting to lead is in fact making a person the leader of the case. But here is what I have been saying FOREVER. You are scummy in particular because you TAKE THE MAJORITY THOUGHT AND TURN IT INTO A CASE. Such as in edocsil's quote above. The proof is in the pudding dude.

Point 5
Here, I have to quote EVERYTHING for the readers to get it.

Clever jumps all over the board with activity. Some games, he is inactive. Others, he is half active, half inactive. Most, he attempts to make the cases and figure out everything as he goes, and does relatively okay. In this case, I think he is trying to give little imput. Maybe either because he doesnt think the cases given are good ones, maybe because he is scum. He is not on the top of my list of potential scum.

This is just to further my point about you protecting clever. Here you're trying to sort of protect by saying he's not high on your list of potential scum/you don't think he's acting to scummy yet you also say that maybe he's acting the way he his because he is scum to kind of cover your tracks. I find this quite scummy in itself but unfortunately it is built around clever being scum so he would have to first be lynched to figure things out but if he does come up scum at some point you're my first target for a case.

Twisting my words again? Very much so. I did in fact say that he may or may not be scum. But I believe I also said that in some games he is hyper active, and in some inactive. Oh, I did. Here, I will highlight in cyan.

Not really sure what your highlighted part has to do with anything I mentioned. Yes you did also say that but it was irrelevant to the point I was bringing up and also not twisting your words in any way at all... I was just saying how they appear to me and to me it appears you're trying to protect a scum buddy while also leaving yourself a way out in case he gets lynched.[/quote]

Well here, let me break it down for you. I assume you are talking about the cyan color. You said I was defending clever. I was actually meta-gaming (frowned upon, but you twisted my words to attempt to connect us. Which is clearly worse). So, I went up and showed where I meta-gamed. So, that brings us to your next part. I did in fact say it, and you were in fact twisting my words (as proven in my above sentence). And I was posting about how it appears to me, and to me, it appears you are trying to pin 2 people with a lie to get us both lynched.


Does this make it clear that all your points are gone? To me, yes. That is my defense. As for you Strike Wolf, not only do I find how you cleared yourself and kratos scummy without, in fact, delving into your cases, but I will also address your case today if I get time.

I await everyones input.

[jonty125]

Not much to say, will re-read. Find SW slightly scummy for clearing himself but nothing case worthy. I feel ghostly has defended himself quite well but the moment someone unpicks his defense I'll probably think that's good