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Re: The A-TEAM SPECIAL (I) Quad Tournament [Round 1]

Postby CJ Lues on Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:42 am

Asbks is our first man out in A-Team Special (I)...! Sorry bud!

Well:
Asbks made A-Team Special History, as the first one to be eliminated ever in this Tournament series!
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Re: The A-TEAM SPECIAL (I) Quad Tournament [Round 1]

Postby CJ Lues on Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:37 am

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Re: The A-TEAM SPECIAL (I) Quad Tournament [Round 1]

Postby CJ Lues on Sun Apr 08, 2012 2:04 am

A-T-S History update

First Game Won!

2012-04-08 05:11:32 - nicarus, happyfeet, tbayjosh, MegasWoman won the Game 10865040 =D>

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Re: The A-TEAM SPECIAL (I) Quad Tournament [Round 1]

Postby CJ Lues on Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:51 am

A-T-S History update

First team through to round 2!

2012-04-14 22:05:55 - Team KOA went through to round two =D>

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Re: The A-TEAM SPECIAL (I) Quad Tournament [Round 1]

Postby GoranZ on Thu Apr 19, 2012 7:04 pm

Team KOA is marked as KAO in Draw Board... mostlikely a typo. If possible can you change it to KOA.
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Re: The A-TEAM SPECIAL (I) Quad Tournament [Round 1]

Postby CJ Lues on Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:51 pm

GoranZ wrote:Team KOA is marked as KAO in Draw Board... mostlikely a typo. If possible can you change it to KOA.


Sure! Sorry about that mate! ;)

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Re: The A-TEAM SPECIAL (I) Quad Tournament [Results]

Postby CJ Lues on Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:37 am

CJ Lues wrote:Draw Board

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The Trophy will "Light Up" when it is Conquered


Fixed mate! ;)

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Re: The A-TEAM SPECIAL (I) Quad Tournament [Round 1]

Postby CJ Lues on Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:11 am

We are halfway with round one

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Re: The A-TEAM SPECIAL (I) Quad Tournament [Round 1]

Postby CJ Lues on Sat Apr 28, 2012 8:35 am

The 1 game that are still active in Round 1:


The Fantastic Four vs Scooby Doo and The Mystery Crew .......Game 10865059


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Re: The A-TEAM SPECIAL (I) Quad Tournament [Round 1]

Postby CJ Lues on Thu May 03, 2012 4:44 am

We have all the teams for round 2 to start!

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We are just waiting for one game to finish (if it keeps on to long I will start round 2 before, no rush guys, take your time ;) )
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Re: The A-TEAM SPECIAL (I) Quad Tournament [Round 1]

Postby GoranZ on Wed May 09, 2012 10:21 am

CJ Lues wrote:We have all the teams for round 2 to start!

We are just waiting for one game to finish (if it keeps on to long I will start round 2 before, no rush guys, take your time ;) )


Is your update void?

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Re: The A-TEAM SPECIAL (I) Quad Tournament [Round 1]

Postby CJ Lues on Thu May 10, 2012 8:02 am

Your point GoranZ? :-s
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Re: The A-TEAM SPECIAL (I) Quad Tournament [Round 1]

Postby CJ Lues on Sun May 13, 2012 5:58 am

Special Announcement!

Due to a Random error, there somehow instead of 8 teams going through to Round 2, we now have 9...! (Don't Panic, The A-Team is on it)

I have spent Hours trying to find the problem, but somehow due to the way I randomly selected the Teams to play together this happened. (I also had outside sources help me)

So, The A-Team hereby volunteers to step down from the A-Team Special (I) Because there is no easy way to get a winner from 9 Teams the way this tournament is run.

In summery.
Problem: 9 teams through to Round 2
Solution: The A-Team volunteers to withdraw from the Tournament
To prevent this in the future: I will divide the 16+ teams into four groups for Round 2 and two groups for Round 2, the two winners from each group will advance to the next Round.

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Re: The A-TEAM SPECIAL (I) Quad Tournament [Round 1]

Postby GoranZ on Sun May 13, 2012 1:29 pm

CJ Lues wrote:Your point GoranZ? :-s

Summer vacations, my premium runs out, just to mention few :lol:


CJ Lues wrote:Due to a Random error, there somehow instead of 8 teams going through to Round 2, we now have 9...! (Don't Panic, The A-Team is on it)

I have spent Hours trying to find the problem, but somehow due to the way I randomly selected the Teams to play together this happened. (I also had outside sources help me)

Are you sure that 2 teams advanced from every group in round 1. I bet that from one group u have 3 teams advancing ;)
CJ Lues wrote:The best out of 3 games will advance to the next round (For example, if you win 2 or 3 out of 3 games you are through to the next round. So if you win 1 or 0 out of 3, your team is eliminated)

And the problem is in my question... what if 3 teams have 2 victories :)... btw this happened in one of the groups :D


CJ Lues wrote:So, The A-Team hereby volunteers to step down from the A-Team Special (I) Because there is no easy way to get a winner from 9 Teams the way this tournament is run.

I dont agree with your(or your outside sources) solution about the issue... I will propose something else instead(since invites are already sent etc...). As far as I noticed only best 2 teams go in next round so does it really matter if one of the groups has 4 and the other has 5 teams in it? Its less drastic measure then one team to quit.
On top even statistically teams from both groups will have equal odds for advancing.

Personally I rather play 1 more game then other team to play 4 games less. IDK what other teams think but I bet that my teammates will agree with me.
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Re: The A-TEAM SPECIAL (I) Quad Tournament [Round 1]

Postby macbone on Mon May 14, 2012 2:25 am

Weren't these games supposed to be foggy?
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Re: The A-TEAM SPECIAL (I) Quad Tournament [Round 1]

Postby CJ Lues on Mon May 14, 2012 4:18 am

macbone wrote:Weren't these games supposed to be foggy?


Yes they should have... :oops:
Sorry you guys, this is the "test" for the future Successful A-Team Specials...

still trying to get the hang of all the things!

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Re: The A-TEAM SPECIAL (I) Quad Tournament [Round 2]

Postby CJ Lues on Mon May 14, 2012 2:29 pm

Commencing:
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Re: The A-TEAM SPECIAL (I) Quad Tournament [Round 2]

Postby chapcrap on Mon May 14, 2012 7:50 pm

If the games should be foggy, they should probably be remade and the sunny games shouldn't count.

And you should really have a different solution than kicking your team out of the tournament. A tiebreaker of some kind.
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Re: The A-TEAM SPECIAL (I) Quad Tournament [Round 2]

Postby CJ Lues on Tue May 15, 2012 2:25 am

chapcrap wrote:If the games should be foggy, they should probably be remade and the sunny games shouldn't count.


Yes that is the right thing to do. Objections anyone?

chapcrap wrote:And you should really have a different solution than kicking your team out of the tournament. A tiebreaker of some kind.


Believe me, it is not that easy!

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Re: The A-TEAM SPECIAL (I) Quad Tournament [Round 2]

Postby agentcom on Tue May 15, 2012 2:43 am

It's a tough call. On the one hand, an error in the creation of the tournament should probably go against the drafter if possible AND if there aren't any better solutions. Here, I don't really see a better solution as there were no tiebreaker criteria beforehand. Can you think of a tiebreaker criteria that doesn't hurt the remaining teams unfairly? I can think of 2 tiebreaker criteria that could be used and both of them could unfairly hurt another team. First, is a playoff among the 2-1 teams. I believe this is unfair because it (1) prolongs the tournament for everyone else and (2) hurts teams that may have taken less care after going 2-0 and "knowing" they made it through to the next round. The second criterion that I've seen used in this type of tournament is a total number of rounds played standard. This rewards you for quick kills and/or slow losses. But again, a team may have played a slower grind-it-out game to ensure the victory, but might have taken more chances had they known this was how ties would be broken.

In the end, I commend CJ for making that tough call. I think it's the exact right call that a TO should make in this situation. A less honorable TO might have tried to arrange the tiebreaker criteria in a way that would have benefited his team.

Hats off, sir.
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Re: The A-TEAM SPECIAL (I) Quad Tournament [Round 2]

Postby CJ Lues on Tue May 15, 2012 7:29 am

Thank you Agentcom :)

I did consider all those options but turned them down for all the reasons you mentioned (the unfair ones)...

This happened because I did not now I had to divide the teams in groups and let the best 2 of each group advance to the next round, so I just randomly placed the 16 teams against each other... So technically it's my fault. I learned that the hard way...!
Luckily I have an awesome team that understands...!

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Re: The A-TEAM SPECIAL (I) Quad Tournament [Round 2]

Postby chapcrap on Tue May 15, 2012 9:24 am

Tiebreakers aren't that hard... Slowing the tournament a little is fine.

And agent saying that people took it easy because they were 2-0 is just silly. Who doesn't still try to win?

I don't care if you kick your team out. It that's what you want to do, you can. But, you should have a tiebreaker in place.



Also, I declined an invite to a sunny game...again. I'll wait for the foggy games.
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Re: The A-TEAM SPECIAL (I) Quad Tournament [Round 1]

Postby CJ Lues on Tue May 15, 2012 2:41 pm

Double Announcement!

#1 Due to requests I am going to remake the games of Round 2 into Fog games (sorry for any inconvenience), none of the Sunny games in Round 2 will count towards the final victory.

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I will send out invites to all participants, I will only send out one invite, you have 24 hours to send me a PM, asking me for a second invite, if you fail to send me a PM within the time or miss the second invite, everyone will be forced to withdraw from the game and the other team will be granted that game's win!

*A-T-S History update

Due to this rule I now have to eliminate Mystery Inc from the Tourney. One of they're players heatz didn't exempt his two invitations (he seems he has vanished from CC! :-s )

Because we now only have 7 teams in round 2, I allow The A-Team back in the A-Team Special (I).

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Re: The A-TEAM SPECIAL (I) Quad Tournament [Round 2]

Postby agentcom on Tue May 15, 2012 2:43 pm

And everything works out in the end! I guess that's some good karma heading back your way CJ
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Re: The A-TEAM SPECIAL (I) Quad Tournament [Round 2]

Postby agentcom on Tue May 15, 2012 5:56 pm

chapcrap wrote:
And agent saying that people took it easy because they were 2-0 is just silly. Who doesn't still try to win?



I never said we don't try to win. I said "take less care."

I'm just talking about how people balance priorities. I'm in several games with these folks across several tournaments. If we were 1-1 in a series and knew that advancing depended on winning that game, I would spend more time on that game making sure that I made the exact right move. Same thing, say, if we were in a finals match. And I would expect my teammates to do the same.

In a perfect world, every teammate would seriously scrutinize every move in every game. But people have other things going on and may speed through a casual game, if they're running out the door or trying to go to sleep.

Do you seriously treat all games equally? If so, that's pretty impressive. I try to, but if we've already advanced in a tournament round, I'm not going to be as likely to PM my teammates for advice--not when there are several other games that I'd rather they pay close attention to.
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