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Re: Did you know...

Postby ljex on Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:20 pm

DiM wrote:
AndyDufresne wrote:project maps will have a Foundry development period as well.


:lol: you mean the beta period? :lol:

that's just a little more than nothing.
nothing major is changed in beta.
at most a few bonuses will be tweaked and some very minor graphic nitpicks will be solved.
any problems that require a lot of work will be dismissed and not fixed.
so basically the map is still 99% decided behind the scenes and the foundry's influence is minimal.

look at africa 2 map which is much much better than any other map ever made in secret.
the impassables not only look bad/wrong/funny but they're also hard to spot properly. the connections are completely counter-intuitive and without bob there's a very high chance you'll make mistakes.
so any subjective graphical flaws put aside, the map has a major problem. despite a very easy classic style gameplay, it actually manages to be a complicated map "thanks" to its poor design.
i highly doubt thenobodies will start redesigning the map now to change this.
the map will most likely remain as it is, people will play it now that it's new then once they see how it plays the interest in it will quickly fade away.


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Re: Did you know...

Postby thenobodies80 on Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:59 pm

I'm slow, yes it's true...lok at austro hungary i think it took 2 years of my life to have it in the way i wanted it!
Moreover I don't have much time in this period since I'm involved in some RL things and other stuff CC Related but I'm working on the map with the free time I have to fix the issue about the connections that are hard to understand ( i think you 're referring to bridges).
So be patient I will solve the issues but not for the foundry, but for the players. I have no rush like many others in the foundry have to see the map quenched. ;)
Said that, i don' t think the map has a poor design,in fact many loves it for exaclty for that reason, but more a uncommon design, that is different.

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Re: Did you know...

Postby chapcrap on Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:14 pm

thenobodies80 wrote:I have no rush like many others in the foundry have to see the map quenched. ;)

I'm not sure who is in a rush for it to be Quenched...

If there is a special project map, I think that a lot more than 3-5 people are needed to overview it. There are many different things in maps that many different people see and critique. A large part of the community thinks that maps begin at the BETA stage and don't look at a map until it gets to BETA and then jump in the thread with complaints. These complaints need to be addressed before BETA. This is the same with the special maps.

So, if there are going to be special projects, they either need to go through the foundry or give many foundry regulars access to the forum where a special project is going on. I think at least 20 people need to be involved in making a map. It's not just a single person for gameplay, graphics, and XML.
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Re: Did you know...

Postby thenobodies80 on Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:21 pm

chapcrap wrote:I'm not sure who is in a rush for it to be Quenched...


You should check my inbox :mrgreen:

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Re: Did you know...

Postby chapcrap on Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:15 pm

thenobodies80 wrote:
chapcrap wrote:I'm not sure who is in a rush for it to be Quenched...


You should check my inbox :mrgreen:

Password please. :)
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Re: Did you know...

Postby VampireM on Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:44 pm

chapcrap wrote:
thenobodies80 wrote:
chapcrap wrote:I'm not sure who is in a rush for it to be Quenched...


You should check my inbox :mrgreen:

Password please. :)


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Re: Did you know...

Postby jammyjames on Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:05 pm

VampireM wrote:
chapcrap wrote:
thenobodies80 wrote:
chapcrap wrote:I'm not sure who is in a rush for it to be Quenched...


You should check my inbox :mrgreen:

Password please. :)


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Re: Did you know...

Postby DoomYoshi on Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:26 pm

thenobodies80 wrote:Some answers, I'll leave you natty for the final one, since you're the only one who really knows what we're talking about.

kylegraves1 wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:.....
Christmas is a good map. It is the only defensible special map.


+1 =D>


this make me laugh, i like that map but I know the "secrets" behind it, who draw the background picture, the names on the map, etc...
In any case what you said sound strange to me because I can provide a long long list of people who find it horrible and hate it.
This is a confirmation of the fact all maps have a reason and shouldn't be axed because there's always someone who like them.


I still think one of the presents should be named Doom since it is my favourite map :cry:
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Re: Did you know...

Postby jammyjames on Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:03 am

DoomYoshi wrote:
thenobodies80 wrote:Some answers, I'll leave you natty for the final one, since you're the only one who really knows what we're talking about.

kylegraves1 wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:.....
Christmas is a good map. It is the only defensible special map.


+1 =D>


this make me laugh, i like that map but I know the "secrets" behind it, who draw the background picture, the names on the map, etc...
In any case what you said sound strange to me because I can provide a long long list of people who find it horrible and hate it.
This is a confirmation of the fact all maps have a reason and shouldn't be axed because there's always someone who like them.


I still think one of the presents should be named Doom since it is my favourite map :cry:


That's nice and festive. Nothing spreads Christmas cheer like opening a present tilted doom.... :lol:
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Re: Did you know...

Postby Robert E Nick on Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:02 pm

Making secret maps is ridiculous. I read all the previous posts and think it can be summed up like this, "Its ridiculous the secret foundry wont let me make my map." And I agree. :|
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Re: Did you know...

Postby jefjef on Sun Apr 29, 2012 12:15 am

army of nobunaga wrote:piece of shit.


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Re: Did you know...

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sun Apr 29, 2012 2:45 pm

natty dread wrote:Why all the secrecy and lack of transparency in the process? If they were truly confident in the quality of their work, they'd post their map right alongside mine in the foundry and let the community decide which one is better. Let the better map survive, not the one that has special protection... if I'd get beaten in honest competition, I'd be fine with that, but this is just wrong.


That sounds like a good idea. What's preventing the above suggestion from happening?
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Re: Did you know...

Postby DiM on Sun Apr 29, 2012 2:51 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:
natty dread wrote:Why all the secrecy and lack of transparency in the process? If they were truly confident in the quality of their work, they'd post their map right alongside mine in the foundry and let the community decide which one is better. Let the better map survive, not the one that has special protection... if I'd get beaten in honest competition, I'd be fine with that, but this is just wrong.


That sounds like a good idea. What's preventing the above suggestion from happening?


i don't know who's making the secret map but if it's somebody with no map making experience he's probably afraid he'd lose in an honest competition.

also one other reason could be the fact that the admins want to make the map quickly and because the foundry nitpicks every little detail the process is slow so the admins are willing to cut back on quality to save time.
you'd think they'd figure this strategy is a poor one since all quenched secret maps are crap ...
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Re: Did you know...

Postby sensfan on Tue May 01, 2012 2:19 pm

natty_dread is an amazing mapmaker. LET HIM MAKE HIS MAP.

+1 if you like.
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Re: Did you know...

Postby chapcrap on Tue May 01, 2012 3:17 pm

sensfan wrote:natty_dread is an amazing mapmaker. LET HIM MAKE HIS MAP.

+1 if you like.

natty_dread is no longer with us.
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