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Postby Qwert on Fri May 04, 2012 1:16 pm

1.Clan League Sign Up Proposition
Clan Eligibility
To sign up for CL5, each clan must meet the following criteria.
1-Must be eligible to be members of CD&F (Adhere to the 1 competitive clan rule)
2-Must have completed (enough wins for a decisive winner) 2 competitive clan wars of at least 40 games
3- Must have existed for 3 months
4- Must have at least 14 members

Player Eligibility
-If a player plays for a clan in a given phase, they are cup-tied for that phase and cannot play for another clan in that phase
-player can change clan after ending of first phase and before start of second phase, but will lost right to be in medal competition
-Any clan who have minimum number of players(14), can not release player until he find replacement for hem.

When you sign up,please provide next information:
1.Clan Name
2.First Contact
3.Second Contact
4.Preliminary list of 10 participating players

note: First Contact,Second Contact and preliminary list can be change at any time by a Clan Leader sending a PM to Qwert .

2.Competition Format
The Clan League are divided in two stage competition.
1. First Stage-Qualification Groups
2.Second Stage- Premier League, Second League,Third League

1. First Stage-Qualification Groups competition format follows the usual double round-robin format. Each clan plays every other clan in group twice, once at home and once away.Clans receive two points for a win,one point for a draw,and no points for a loss. There are 6 qualification Groups, with 6 or more clans in each group(depend on how many clans participate in competition).
Draw for each group its described in seeding section.

2. Second Stage- The Premier,Second and Third League competition format follows the usual double round-robin format. During the course of a season, each clan plays every other clan twice, once at home and once away,Clans receive two points for a win, one point for a draw, and no points for a loss. Clans are ranked by total points, with the highest-ranked Clan at the end of the season crowned champion.

Winner and Runner up,in each Qualification Group qualify for Premier League.
3rd and 4th place in each Qualification Group qualify for Second League.
5th and all bottom places in each Qualification Group qualify for Third League.
Premier and Second League have 12 Clans, and Third League can have over 12 clans.

Qualification and League competition Ranking
In bout stages Clans are ranked by this criteria
1.Total points
2.Game Difference

3.TIEBREAK
If points and game difference are equal between two or more Clans, the rules are:

1.tiebreakers between two clan are applied in the following order:
a)Head-to-head results.
b)head-to-head game difference
c)Most away wins for the entire season
d)Most away game wins for the entire season

2.If the tie is between more than two clans, tiebreak are applied in the following order::
a) head-to-head points
b) head-to-head game difference
c)head-to-head away game wins
d)Most away wins for the entire season
e)Most away games wins for the entire season

4.Game Creation Rules
Every game week, the clan's assigned representative must create games as per the agreed schedule and then complete the following tasks by 23:00 Sunday Evening CC Time.

1.Send PM with home games(maps,settings,players) to Competition Director responsible for that division
2.Post home games(maps,settings,players) in the divisional thread.
3.invite all home players
4.Send PM of the games to the opposing team contact

By 23:00 CC Time on Wednesday, the away clan should:

1.Send a PM with the chosen players to the Competition Director responsible for that division
2.Post away player list in the divisional thread
3.Invite the away players

If a clan repeats a map in the Qualification or League stage and the Director fails to realise this before the game starts then the game will not be repeated.

Late game creation

If by 23:00 Monday Evening the home games have not been created, the representative and their 2nd will be warned by the Division Director that they have only 24 hours left to create the games.
If by 23:00 Tuesday Evening this has still not been done then the Division Director will create 8 Random Map, Sunny, Escalating games and invite random players from the offending clan.

There can be no delays beyond this 48 hour period. By going with clan created games and not Division Director created games, the process should be less arduous for the directors.

If a clan repeatedly enters their games late then the clan directors reserve the right to remove the 48 hour grace period and create the random games immediately.

5.League Games,Qualification Games, Settings, Maps, & Players
Weekly-one week consist of two round, where one clan play 8 home games against one clan,and 8 away games against other clan. (very rare could happen once or twice in entire competition that clan play in one week 8 home games against one clan,and 8 home game against other clan,and vice verse)

Home Games
2 Doubles - Clan's Choice of Maps & Settings
3 Triples - Clan's Choice of Maps & Settings
3 Quadruples - Clan's Choice of Maps & Settings

Settings
No Freestyle
No Speed
No Manual
No trench Warfare
No round limits

All game need to be --automatic--sequenched-round lenght 24 hours
Escalating-no limit for use
No Spoils-no limit for use
Flat RAte-no limit for use
Chained-no limit for use
adjacent-no limit for use
Fog of war-no limit for use
Unlimited fort-no limit for use
nuclear-3 nukes per round allowed, but clans can negotiate more if they want for each round

Maps
NO Beta.
Clan's can use one map only once in Qualification Round and once in League Round.
Random maps can be used as many times as so desired and what ever map it turns out to be will not be counted towards the 1 map rule.

Players
In one Qualification/League Week,one player can play maximum 6 game. One week consist of two round,this mean that every player can play 3 in one and 3 in other round.
There needs to be a minimum of 10 different players per round.

6.Medals
The following League winners will receive a medal
Premier League winner
Second League winner
Third League winner

Player Qualifications for Medals
For these qualification, games from Qualification Round and League Round are combined together.

Each player must have at least 1 win to qualify for a medal.

Each player must play a minimum of 14 games to qualify for a medal.

7.Seedings
After entry list is completed, clans will be ranked according to CL4 results, and all the clans that havent participate in CL4 will be ranked bellow. After it, clans will be distributed in pots.
- first pot will be made from top 6 ranked clans
- second pot will be made from clans ranked between 7th and 12th place
- third pot will be made from clans ranked between 13th and 18th place
- fourth pot will be made from clans ranked between 19th and 24th place
- fifth pot will be made from clans ranked between 25th and 30th place
- sixth pot will be made from clans ranked between 31st and 36th place
(in case there are more then 36 team, seventh pot will be created, made from all the remaining clans)

After it, qualifying groups will be draw by officials. Qualifying groups will have one clan from every pot(unless there are more then 42 clans applied, then there will be more then one clan from 7th pot). First, top 6 clans will be placed into qualifying groups. A clan will be taken from first pot, then number of qualifying group will be taken from another pot. Clan will be put in group matching the number taken out. After top 6 clans are distributed to groups, same procedure will be repeated for rest of the pots, until all the clans are placed into groups.
Draw will be online in Live chat.

8.Schedule
Schedule is slated for the Season to start by TBA. Approximate length of season will be up to 34 weeks.
Qualification and League schedule
round robin
possible schedule TBA

Qualification Stage
Week 1- round 1-round 2
Week 2-
Week 3- round 3-round 4
Week 4-
Week 5- round 5-round 6
Week 6-
Week 7- round 7-round 8
Week 8-
Week 9- round 9-round 10
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Time need to be finished all games in Qualification Stage( guess)
Week 10-
Week 11-
Week 12-
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League Stage
Week 13- round 1-round 2
Week 14-
Week 15- round 3-round 4
Week 16-
Week 17-round 5-round 6
Week 18-
Week 19-round 7-round 8
Week 20-
Week 21-round 9-round 10
Week 22-
Week 23-round 11-round 12
Week 24-
Week 25- round 13-round 14
Week 26-
Week 27-round 15-round 16
Week 28-
Week 29-round 17-round 18
Week 30-
Week 31-round 19-round 20
Week 32-
Week 33-round 21-round 22

9.Miscellaneous
Any deemed abuse should be brought to the attention of the League Directors immediately
The 12 hour FOW rule will not be enforced at all. If two clans wish to use it (as a gentleman's agreement) then this must be done in advance of the round in which they play one another (there will be no penalties for not using it nor will there be any enforcement of the gentleman's agreement by TO's or DD's if it is breached). Games will not be re-made and results will not be changed.
Timing out in Escalating and Nuclear games will not be tolerated by any players or clans that abuse this.
First offense of a team:The first time a team breaks this rule, the game will be considered forfeit and must be re-made by the clan for which it was a home map.
Second offense of a team (in the same game): the game will not be considered as a win for the offending clan for league purposes. If they do win, then the game will be declared a draw. In these circumstances, games may still count towards other statistics, such as ranking systems.
If a clan has been penalized (as above) for two offenses in one game, then commits a single further offense in any game in the same round the same penalty will apply: the game will not be considered as a win for the offending clan for league purposes. If they do win, then the game will be declared a draw. In these circumstances, games may still count towards other statistics, such as ranking systems.
If a clan have been penalized twice during the season then any single further offense in any game during the entire season will result in the same penalty will apply: the game will not be considered as a win for the offending clan for league purposes. If they do win, then the game will be declared a draw. In these circumstances, games may still count towards other statistics, such as ranking systems.
Timing-out, missing turns or dead beating in No Spoils or Flat Rate games will not be investigated, or result in any penalties.
Decisions of the League Directors and Division Director are final .
Clans submitting entry to the league are deemed to have agreed to the rules.
There is a no tolerance rule to insulting or bad behavior. Any issues brought to the League Director's attention will be dealt with harshly in conjunction with Clan Directors.
As there seems to be some discrepancy between CC time on this site and the time given by the [Time] function, one hour's grace will be given with all deadlines to ensure there is no unfair disadvantage.
Throwing games rule
each intentionally throwing games, is strictly prohibited. Those Clan who do so will be punished with deduction of 6 points from ranking table board.
This rule will be apply only if there are enough valid evidence to be acted upon them.
If there are any throwing games, they would need to be reported promptly for consideration.

10.Clan League 5 Directors
Responsible for competition - - Confirmed
Responsible for competition - angola - Confirmed
Responsible for competition - merch313 - Confirmed
Responsible for competition - Keefie - Confirmed
Responsible for competition - mcshanester29 - Confirmed
Responsible for competition -benga - Confirmed
Responsible for update of all competition results - qwert - Confirmed
These League are overseen by The CD Team>Official No1 Jetsetwilly<>Official No2 Bruceswar

Responsibilities of Clan League 5 Directors

Each Division Director will observe each division they are put in charge of (they will not be in charge of the division their clan is in).
Monitoring games and PM'ing a Clan's assigned representative if they make mistakes(e.g repeat maps, exceed 3 maps in one home or away batch or use fewer than 10 players per round)

Create games when clan assigned representative don't do that in the agreed time.
Create a schedule to fit dates for each round of games provided by the League Directors.

Maintain forum threads in the clan section “active challenges”. The forum will include a schedule of rounds standings and results (to be updated by them).

Deal with any minor issues within the division and escalate major issues to the League Directors.

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Re: Clan Leagues competition

Postby cookie0117 on Fri May 04, 2012 1:53 pm

This as a structure for a league is a much smoother design.
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Re: Clan Leagues competition

Postby Qwert on Fri May 04, 2012 1:56 pm

cookie0117 wrote:This as a structure for a league is a much smoother design.

can someone who know better english ,explane to me what "smoother design" means ?
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Re: Clan Leagues competition

Postby cookie0117 on Fri May 04, 2012 1:59 pm

qwert wrote:
cookie0117 wrote:This as a structure for a league is a much smoother design.

can someone who know better english ,explane to me what "smoother design" means ?


As English is my primary language, I will have at go!!

Easier/ simpler to follow. At the start of the season you know what league you are in and will remain in. You play everyone once and then get a result. The results for one year lets you know where you will be next year.
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Re: Clan Leagues competition

Postby Lindax on Sat May 05, 2012 10:16 am

cookie0117 wrote:
qwert wrote:
cookie0117 wrote:This as a structure for a league is a much smoother design.

can someone who know better english ,explane to me what "smoother design" means ?


As English is my primary language, I will have at go!!

Easier/ simpler to follow. At the start of the season you know what league you are in and will remain in. You play everyone once and then get a result. The results for one year lets you know where you will be next year.


He means that he likes your design better than the current Clan League. ;)

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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby freakns on Sat May 05, 2012 11:47 am

too... many... clan... competitions...
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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby Qwert on Sat May 05, 2012 1:30 pm

freakns wrote:too... many... clan... competitions...

its this bad?
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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby cookie0117 on Sat May 05, 2012 1:36 pm

qwert wrote:
freakns wrote:too... many... clan... competitions...

its this bad?


Can make people choose which ones to sign up to but a league like this is better than the the other league as it will carry over year on year. Like a league is supposed to.
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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby xman5151 on Sat May 05, 2012 8:55 pm

I actually really like this idea qwert, with enough support this could be a successful and fun league
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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby Lindax on Sat May 05, 2012 9:06 pm

I would support an idea like this if we could get rid of the idea of "home maps and settings".

Get more of an equal footing for everybody and see which clan actually is the best all-round, instead of specializing at certain maps and settings.

Every clan play the same maps and settings and then find out which is really the best all-round clan, based on skill and team work instead of maps and settings....

For all I care all games could be escalating, chained, sunny on Classic. Same for every clan, every game, every player, every team. Then a clan league would really be a clan league.

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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby greenoaks on Sat May 05, 2012 9:39 pm

shouldn't it be Premier, Second, Third ?
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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby Lindax on Sat May 05, 2012 9:45 pm

greenoaks wrote:shouldn't it be Premier, Second, Third ?


Probably, but in Europe it's generally Premier (or whatever word they use in different countries), then first, second, third, etc.

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PS: qwert is from Europe. ;)
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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby greenoaks on Sat May 05, 2012 10:11 pm

Lindax wrote:
greenoaks wrote:shouldn't it be Premier, Second, Third ?


Probably, but in Europe it's generally Premier (or whatever word they use in different countries), then first, second, third, etc.

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PS: qwert is from Europe. ;)

i won't hold that against him

i like your idea Lindax of all clans playing with the same map and settings. were you thinking just 1 map all the way through or a few maps such as

Year 1 maps - Classic, Europe, Germany, London
Year 2 maps - Classic, North America, Canada, NYC
Year 3 maps - Classic, Far East, Japan, Sydney Metro
Year 4 maps - Classic, South America, Brazil, Buenos Aires (yet to be developed ;) )
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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby Lindax on Sat May 05, 2012 10:17 pm

greenoaks wrote:
Lindax wrote:
greenoaks wrote:shouldn't it be Premier, Second, Third ?


Probably, but in Europe it's generally Premier (or whatever word they use in different countries), then first, second, third, etc.

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PS: qwert is from Europe. ;)

i won't hold that against him

i like your idea Lindax of all clans playing with the same map and settings. were you thinking just 1 map all the way through or a few maps such as

Year 1 maps - Classic, Europe, Germany, London
Year 2 maps - Classic, North America, Canada, NYC
Year 3 maps - Classic, Far East, Japan, Sydney Metro
Year 4 maps - Classic, South America, Brazil, Buenos Aires (yet to be developed ;) )


One map would be a bit boring, but standard maps would be good. Just no fancy maps that specific people are good at and others don't have much of a chance, if you get my drift. :mrgreen:

Maybe one day I'll have to organize a TLO style thingy for clans, but for now I don't know if I want to.

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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby greenoaks on Sun May 06, 2012 12:07 am

i put the years there because i thought if the maps were laid out in advance clans could prepare for them through recruitment and internal training.

if a clan is not ready to play on Stalingrad or New World with 2 years to prepare they only have themselves to blame.
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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby Qwert on Sun May 06, 2012 6:03 am

greenoaks wrote:shouldn't it be Premier, Second, Third ?


Well its depend , in mine country you have -Superleague-First League-Second League,etc-etc.

Lindax wrote:I would support an idea like this if we could get rid of the idea of "home maps and settings".

Get more of an equal footing for everybody and see which clan actually is the best all-round, instead of specializing at certain maps and settings.

Every clan play the same maps and settings and then find out which is really the best all-round clan, based on skill and team work instead of maps and settings....

For all I care all games could be escalating, chained, sunny on Classic. Same for every clan, every game, every player, every team. Then a clan league would really be a clan league.

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I dont have intention to promote one map. Also in all sports competition, home team have right to decide where to play.
If you have in Premier League top 16 clans, then this mean that they know very good to play on almost all maps, but still they have right to decide what maps ,when to use,and against what opponents.
Play only on 1 maps will be same like play some Footbal League, on one Stadium, in one city, and this will be ridiculouse cometition,who will not promote this competition.
If you want to create something interesting,and chalenging for all clans,then this are not league where clan only can play on few maps,and all ready decided settings.
If you want to be best,you need to know all possible maps and settings,and to play against stronger opponents. Also new clans will start in second league, where they will have great opportunity to play against same equal opponents, and slowly learn abouth maps and settings.
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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby greenoaks on Sun May 06, 2012 6:18 am

qwert wrote:
greenoaks wrote:shouldn't it be Premier, Second, Third ?


Well its depend , in mine country you have -Superleague-First League-Second League,etc-etc.

was Superleague created at the same time as First League and Second League ?
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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby Leehar on Sun May 06, 2012 8:30 am

It's actually Premier League, Championship, and the Division 1, 2, 3, 4?
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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby Lindax on Sun May 06, 2012 11:36 am

qwert wrote:Play only on 1 maps will be same like play some Footbal League, on one Stadium, in one city, and this will be ridiculouse cometition,who will not promote this competition.

If you want to be best,you need to know all possible maps and settings,and to play against stronger opponents. Also new clans will start in second league, where they will have great opportunity to play against same equal opponents, and slowly learn abouth maps and settings.


Your analogy doesn't make much sense qwert. As I'm sure you know, the "map" in football is exactly the same in every stadium, city, etc. It's a field of grass of the same size wherever you go.

Anyway, although I think 1 and the same map would be the most fair, I would use more than one map, but exclude a bunch of them.

With a choice of any home map and settings it will always be the same few clans winning the competition.

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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby Qwert on Sun May 06, 2012 11:55 am

greenoaks, its question who go deep into history. In mine country First Footbal league are created 1923 year.
Present Leagues are followers of Yugoslav Leagues, and every team who play in FIrst Yugoslav League are continue to play in SUpreleague. Its dificulty to explane, because you have so many time of Country change,so system are change several times.

Leehar this is in English League,not all leagues in europe have Divisions, many have First Leagues,or Second leagues(names for other lvl of competition).
In greece you have SUperleague-Footbal LEague-Footbal League 2-
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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby Qwert on Sun May 06, 2012 12:05 pm

Lindax wrote:
qwert wrote:Play only on 1 maps will be same like play some Footbal League, on one Stadium, in one city, and this will be ridiculouse cometition,who will not promote this competition.

If you want to be best,you need to know all possible maps and settings,and to play against stronger opponents. Also new clans will start in second league, where they will have great opportunity to play against same equal opponents, and slowly learn abouth maps and settings.


Your analogy doesn't make much sense qwert. As I'm sure you know, the "map" in football is exactly the same in every stadium, city, etc. It's a field of grass of the same size wherever you go.

Anyway, although I think 1 and the same map would be the most fair, I would use more than one map, but exclude a bunch of them.

With a choice of any home map and settings it will always be the same few clans winning the competition.

Lx

Well this will not work, because many high ranked clans will not compete.
And this last,in many competition same teams win a championship,over and over again. Barcelona and Real win almost every year Championship,same like in England Manchester and Arsenal.
Still i think that here in CC you have much more competition, where you have 10 clans who can compete for title.
-its will be hard for some clan to be twice in row ,champion in premier league,when everybody can win or lost to each other. Ofcourse when you add 7 more clans ranked from 10-16 place, they also can make some suprisses in premier league.

This is present position of clans from Rank table(algoritm 400)(this could change till october, or if some clans dont accept invitation to play )

Premier League

KORT
PACK
TOFU
TSM
EMP
IA
AOC
AFOS
PIG
FOED
LHDD
BOTFM
DYN
LOW
ID
WAR
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First League

MYT
MD
HH
KOA
LEG
GR
TNC
TFFS
G1
OSA
VDLL
MM
AKA
GG
RA
TLW
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Second LEague

AOD
DB
SOH
DBC
MB
LOTZ
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In first year ,when we create Leagues, then every next years ,you know where each clan compete,and every new clan start from bottom(second league).
Still need alot new rules to build.
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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby benga on Sun May 06, 2012 12:28 pm

@qwert

Setup like this is wrong, you would have Second League with 6 clans,
it's better to make 2 First Leagues and then winners and runners up move to Premier League.

@Lx

So who would choose maps that are good to be played on?

Your reason for making it fair play by limiting maps is bad.

The only thing that would be good, with so many new maps coming out,
is to limit maps to those that came out before the start of league.
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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby Lindax on Sun May 06, 2012 3:59 pm

benga wrote:@Lx

So who would choose maps that are good to be played on?

Your reason for making it fair play by limiting maps is bad.

The only thing that would be good, with so many new maps coming out,
is to limit maps to those that came out before the start of league.


You don't seem to have a problem with it in my TLO Tournament.... ;)

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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby benga on Sun May 06, 2012 4:46 pm

Lindax wrote:
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So who would choose maps that are good to be played on?

Your reason for making it fair play by limiting maps is bad.

The only thing that would be good, with so many new maps coming out,
is to limit maps to those that came out before the start of league.


You don't seem to have a problem with it in my TLO Tournament.... ;)

Lx


No I sure don't, but I always like to play vs anybodies best
and limiting anything would cripple some clans.

Limits should only go for unknown, not tested things (Like trench or some new maps),
so all clans get a chance to get to train them.

And CL should be all clans competition, not adjusted to organizers wishes.
If organizers would choose what maps to exclude that would be even more unfair.
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Re: CC Clan League -Premier-First-Second

Postby Qwert on Mon May 07, 2012 5:09 am

benga wrote:@qwert

Setup like this is wrong, you would have Second League with 6 clans,
it's better to make 2 First Leagues and then winners and runners up move to Premier League.
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I take teams from Algoritm ranking topic, i dont know how many clan will compete in second league. Second league can also have up to 16 clans.
You all ready have some clans who are not listed in Ranking(otpisani, NBK). Active clans number 47.
Second league are created so that all new clans can compete imediatly, and not to waith to be included in Ranking.

edit-small changes, i reduce premier and first league to 15 teams, so that second league get more teams.
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