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Freedom of Information vs Right to Privacy

Postby bedub1 on Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:49 pm

I'm reading an article about George Zimmerman telling his wife to move money from Paypal to his bank. The article states:
"Prosecutors also released the couple's bank statements Monday."
How is this legal? Isn't releasing somebody's personal bank statements a violation of their rights to privacy?
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Re: Freedom of Information vs Right to Privacy

Postby Woodruff on Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:56 pm

bedub1 wrote:I'm reading an article about George Zimmerman telling his wife to move money from Paypal to his bank. The article states:
"Prosecutors also released the couple's bank statements Monday."
How is this legal? Isn't releasing somebody's personal bank statements a violation of their rights to privacy?


I'm not much up on legal mumbo-jumbo...doesn't it matter who they release them to (like the court)? Does it specify?
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Re: Freedom of Information vs Right to Privacy

Postby Phatscotty on Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:50 pm

The Zimmermans are a couple of dumbasses, but their records were released because the prosecutor overcharged Zimmerman (2nd degree) so, as usual, the prosecutor will have to practice her best slimeball tactics to try to maximize every single thing about Zimmerman, and release it all to the public.

This is not a court case, it's a street justice case. The prosecutor wants to get re-elected this fall, and the Democrat party has registered over 200,000 voters solely at all the Trayvon Rallies the past few months. There is a lot more going on than meets the eye.
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Re: Freedom of Information vs Right to Privacy

Postby huamulan on Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:20 pm

Aren't all trials televised in America? If this trial is being played out on TV then it entered the realm of 'street justice' way before the bank statements were released.
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Re: Freedom of Information vs Right to Privacy

Postby bedub1 on Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:30 pm

Woodruff wrote:
bedub1 wrote:I'm reading an article about George Zimmerman telling his wife to move money from Paypal to his bank. The article states:
"Prosecutors also released the couple's bank statements Monday."
How is this legal? Isn't releasing somebody's personal bank statements a violation of their rights to privacy?


I'm not much up on legal mumbo-jumbo...doesn't it matter who they release them to (like the court)? Does it specify?

It's my understanding that they released the bank statements to the public. You can go look at them if you want to.
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Re: Freedom of Information vs Right to Privacy

Postby Phatscotty on Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:07 pm

bedub1 wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
bedub1 wrote:I'm reading an article about George Zimmerman telling his wife to move money from Paypal to his bank. The article states:
"Prosecutors also released the couple's bank statements Monday."
How is this legal? Isn't releasing somebody's personal bank statements a violation of their rights to privacy?


I'm not much up on legal mumbo-jumbo...doesn't it matter who they release them to (like the court)? Does it specify?

It's my understanding that they released the bank statements to the public. You can go look at them if you want to.


Privacy it seems is no loner a right. We have been too busy fighting over social wedge issues to care or notice. Rand Paul is currently working on reclaiming the issue of privacy along with the entire 4th amendment. For anyone who cares about privacy, please support Rand Paul and people who will stand with Rand on this issue. He says he has a significant amount of Congressional Democrats on board, so it's okay for the rest of you to come out and not auto-attack this effort because he has an R in front of his name.

Another privacy issue that is really irking me lately is the release of divorce records and other personal information of large political donors....
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Re: Freedom of Information vs Right to Privacy

Postby Woodruff on Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:16 pm

bedub1 wrote:
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bedub1 wrote:I'm reading an article about George Zimmerman telling his wife to move money from Paypal to his bank. The article states:
"Prosecutors also released the couple's bank statements Monday."
How is this legal? Isn't releasing somebody's personal bank statements a violation of their rights to privacy?


I'm not much up on legal mumbo-jumbo...doesn't it matter who they release them to (like the court)? Does it specify?

It's my understanding that they released the bank statements to the public. You can go look at them if you want to.


That seems like a pretty shitty move, and I would THINK perhaps legally troublesome for the prosecutor. How can they justify doing that from a legal (as in "The Zimmermans won't sue") perspective?
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Re: Freedom of Information vs Right to Privacy

Postby Woodruff on Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:17 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
bedub1 wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
bedub1 wrote:I'm reading an article about George Zimmerman telling his wife to move money from Paypal to his bank. The article states:
"Prosecutors also released the couple's bank statements Monday."
How is this legal? Isn't releasing somebody's personal bank statements a violation of their rights to privacy?


I'm not much up on legal mumbo-jumbo...doesn't it matter who they release them to (like the court)? Does it specify?

It's my understanding that they released the bank statements to the public. You can go look at them if you want to.


Privacy it seems is no loner a right.


That's been the case since before the Patriot Act, unfortunately.

Phatscotty wrote:We have been too busy fighting over social wedge issues to care or notice. Rand Paul is currently working on reclaiming the issue of privacy along with the entire 4th amendment. For anyone who cares about privacy, please support Rand Paul and people who will stand with Rand on this issue. He says he has a significant amount of Congressional Democrats on board, so it's okay for the rest of you to come out and not auto-attack this effort because he has an R in front of his name.


I don't have the same good feeling about Rand that I do about his father. I definitely don't see them in the same vein.

Phatscotty wrote:Another privacy issue that is really irking me lately is the release of divorce records and other personal information of large political donors....


As with my point above, how is that legally...uh...legal?
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Re: Freedom of Information vs Right to Privacy

Postby Night Strike on Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:22 pm

Woodruff wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:Another privacy issue that is really irking me lately is the release of divorce records and other personal information of large political donors....


As with my point above, how is that legally...uh...legal?


It's not, but it's what some people affiliated with Obama's campaign are doing to discredit big donors to PACs that oppose him. It's also what Obama himself did to win his state senate seat.


And Rand Paul is working to prohibit law enforcement officials from using drones without search warrants.
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Re: Freedom of Information vs Right to Privacy

Postby Woodruff on Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:25 pm

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Phatscotty wrote:Another privacy issue that is really irking me lately is the release of divorce records and other personal information of large political donors....


As with my point above, how is that legally...uh...legal?


It's not, but it's what some people affiliated with Obama's campaign are doing to discredit big donors to PACs that oppose him. It's also what Obama himself did to win his state senate seat.


Oh Jesus Christ, Night Strike...I know Obama and the liberals are the only ones that ever do anything bad, but can you get over it long enough to discuss an issue for a change?
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Re: Freedom of Information vs Right to Privacy

Postby Night Strike on Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:31 pm

Woodruff wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:Another privacy issue that is really irking me lately is the release of divorce records and other personal information of large political donors....


As with my point above, how is that legally...uh...legal?


It's not, but it's what some people affiliated with Obama's campaign are doing to discredit big donors to PACs that oppose him. It's also what Obama himself did to win his state senate seat.


Oh Jesus Christ, Night Strike...I know Obama and the liberals are the only ones that ever do anything bad, but can you get over it long enough to discuss an issue for a change?


I'm posting facts about the issue.
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Re: Freedom of Information vs Right to Privacy

Postby Symmetry on Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:32 pm

As far as I can tell, the info was released as evidence that Mr and Mrs Zimmerman had been, shall we say, less than truthful with the court. More specifically, that Mr Zimmerman needed to have his bail revoked, and Mrs Zimmerman is now standing accused of perjury.
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Re: Freedom of Information vs Right to Privacy

Postby Woodruff on Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:49 pm

Night Strike wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:Another privacy issue that is really irking me lately is the release of divorce records and other personal information of large political donors....


As with my point above, how is that legally...uh...legal?


It's not, but it's what some people affiliated with Obama's campaign are doing to discredit big donors to PACs that oppose him. It's also what Obama himself did to win his state senate seat.


Oh Jesus Christ, Night Strike...I know Obama and the liberals are the only ones that ever do anything bad, but can you get over it long enough to discuss an issue for a change?


I'm posting facts about the issue.


Because only liberals do that shit. You post almost exactly half of the facts about any given issue. I'll leave it to you to figure out which half I think is missing.
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Re: Freedom of Information vs Right to Privacy

Postby Woodruff on Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:50 pm

Symmetry wrote:As far as I can tell, the info was released as evidence that Mr and Mrs Zimmerman had been, shall we say, less than truthful with the court. More specifically, that Mr Zimmerman needed to have his bail revoked, and Mrs Zimmerman is now standing accused of perjury.


And that's fine, but shouldn't that be information for the court, not for the public?
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Re: Freedom of Information vs Right to Privacy

Postby Phatscotty on Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:55 pm

Night Strike wrote:
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Phatscotty wrote:Another privacy issue that is really irking me lately is the release of divorce records and other personal information of large political donors....


As with my point above, how is that legally...uh...legal?


It's not, but it's what some people affiliated with Obama's campaign are doing to discredit big donors to PACs that oppose him. It's also what Obama himself did to win his state senate seat.


And Rand Paul is working to prohibit law enforcement officials from using drones without search warrants.


He is trying to go further than that. He wants to reaffirm the 4th amendment in it's entirety. I think there will be a little more to it than just warrants for drones when it's done with.
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