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Re: Mafiascum

Postby pmchugh on Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:29 pm

Yomiel wrote:There are too many forums in general where the staff let the members get away with terrible things, but that site is one of the worst. It's been really hard finding a decent place to play Mafia. I recall I got banned off of one forum because we were having a chat in the shoutbox about our dislike of the forum skins. Not even a rude discussion-perfectly civil. And when I contacted the admin, he was so nasty to me.


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Re: Mafiascum

Postby Yomiel on Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:14 pm

I'm still trying to recover from their abuse. They trolled me in several topics at once and sent me dozens of PMs, making lewd comments and telling me to cut my throat. They were bragging about the fact that they drove one of their former members to suicide in a similar way, and talking about things like hurting kids.
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Re: Mafiascum

Postby shieldgenerator7 on Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:44 pm

pancakemix wrote:Super Necro Bump, awaaaaaaaaayyyyyyy!

But out of curiosity, I wandered over there for a bit. Apparently, cases are scummy now.


lshicastr. from that thread:

The Fonz wrote:Broadly, this. Plus the idea that town has gut reads, intuitions, and can act impulsively, whereas scum wants to go to painstaking length to show that they have 'good reasons' for acting as they do. The basic premise is that cases rarely actually convince anyone who wasn't going to find the behavior scummy anyway. What they can do is give scum cover for sheeping. You can say in a line or two why you think something's scummy, and people will either agree with you or not. Cases lead to point-by-point rebuttals which lead to point-by-point justifications, which lead to TL/DR.

I subscribe to a milder version of this, in that I think who someone votes for and the timing of it matters far more than any kind of justification they can raise. I'll often vote without any stated reason, in the hope it will cause people to look at my target and figure out for themselves why I suspect them. Most often, though, they just go 'Derp no reasons, that's scummy, vote Fonz.'


This explains some n00bs' behaviour when they come into a game and go VOTE PCM after the joke vote stage with no reasons and think it's standard procedure. Oh, how different internet cultures can be.
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Re: Mafiascum

Postby shieldgenerator7 on Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:52 pm

Yomiel wrote:I'm still trying to recover from their abuse. They trolled me in several topics at once and sent me dozens of PMs, making lewd comments and telling me to cut my throat. They were bragging about the fact that they drove one of their former members to suicide in a similar way, and talking about things like hurting kids.


Wow that's terrible. I agree this site is much better in that regards.

I wonder if we could infiltrate that site in a big group, say play a a small 10 player game and only allow players who have played CC mafia in, and then get a whole bunch of people to come over here. (then again, do we want those players over here? surely they can't all be bad, and we could have a test game to see how they play). Results: infiltration and conquering of MafiaScum, and a surplus of players here. Thoughts?
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Re: Mafiascum

Postby Yomiel on Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:12 pm

I don't think we want those players here. And some may seem nice, but they can have hidden dark sides.
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Re: Mafiascum

Postby safariguy5 on Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:20 pm

shieldgenerator7 wrote:
pancakemix wrote:Super Necro Bump, awaaaaaaaaayyyyyyy!

But out of curiosity, I wandered over there for a bit. Apparently, cases are scummy now.


lshicastr. from that thread:

The Fonz wrote:Broadly, this. Plus the idea that town has gut reads, intuitions, and can act impulsively, whereas scum wants to go to painstaking length to show that they have 'good reasons' for acting as they do. The basic premise is that cases rarely actually convince anyone who wasn't going to find the behavior scummy anyway. What they can do is give scum cover for sheeping. You can say in a line or two why you think something's scummy, and people will either agree with you or not. Cases lead to point-by-point rebuttals which lead to point-by-point justifications, which lead to TL/DR.

I subscribe to a milder version of this, in that I think who someone votes for and the timing of it matters far more than any kind of justification they can raise. I'll often vote without any stated reason, in the hope it will cause people to look at my target and figure out for themselves why I suspect them. Most often, though, they just go 'Derp no reasons, that's scummy, vote Fonz.'


This explains some n00bs' behaviour when they come into a game and go VOTE PCM after the joke vote stage with no reasons and think it's standard procedure. Oh, how different internet cultures can be.

I have an issue with The Fonz's logic insofar as to say that the "timing" of the vote matters. This is an internet based game, and different people log on at different times. Timing may matter, but the speed of a forum game is much more difficult to manage than a RL game of mafia. This is true even if we play like a LC game, because people may be sidetracked by RL concerns.
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Re: Mafiascum

Postby Yomiel on Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:36 pm

The timing of a vote can matter, depending how you mean it.

However, over there, they were always voting me for stupid reasons. My first game, I made a perfectly normal first post. This guy insisted I was Mafia. I was, but he was honestly basing it on nothing. He would always just guess at my alignment and act like he understood my style, when I was never even truly allowed to play for anyone to see it. And if I happened to not be the alignment he thought, he'd just chalk it up to me being a bad player.
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Re: Mafiascum

Postby pmchugh on Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:24 am

Yomiel wrote: And if I happened to not be the alignment he thought, he'd just chalk it up to me being a bad player.


Haha, anyone who has ever tried epicmafia will know this is 100% true.
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Re: Mafiascum

Postby DoomYoshi on Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:16 pm

So, apparently the yoshi rollcall is fairly standard procedure at MS. I signed up
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Re: Mafiascum

Postby Rodion on Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:35 pm

pmchugh wrote:
Yomiel wrote: And if I happened to not be the alignment he thought, he'd just chalk it up to me being a bad player.


Haha, anyone who has ever tried epicmafia will know this is 100% true.


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Re: Mafiascum

Postby Campin_Killer on Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:38 am

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Re: Mafiascum

Postby Campin_Killer on Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:40 am

pmchugh wrote:
Yomiel wrote: And if I happened to not be the alignment he thought, he'd just chalk it up to me being a bad player.


Haha, anyone who has ever tried epicmafia will know this is 100% true.

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Re: Mafiascum

Postby Yomiel on Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:53 am

There are too few decent sites out there, and they all have their own unique ways of playing. Plus, some are run by rude people.
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