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[BigBallinStalin]

Very rarely do I mistaken a mirage for a portal into another universe where everything is the same as this one except they find wearing condoms on their fingers to be quite fashionable.

How about you, AoG?

[BigBallinStalin]

And, ladies and gentlemen, a big One Up for Doc Brown and his comments, which are most welcome and educational.

[Crazyirishman]

I miss the good old conservapedia links that were at the beginning of this thread. I'm not really sure why this became an educational system debate. Whatever we consider to be truths are only truths by convention and the proper way to educate a child is subjective and will change as times changes.

[Haggis_McMutton]

Whatever we consider to be truths are only truths by convention and the proper way to educate a child is subjective and will change as times changes.

It's quite odd reading posts like these from you while also being mooned by your avatar.

[AndyDufresne]

Whatever we consider to be truths are only truths by convention and the proper way to educate a child is subjective and will change as times changes.

It's quite odd reading posts like these from you while also being mooned by your avatar.

Life is always strange and fanciful.


--Andy

[john9blue]

I miss the good old conservapedia links that were at the beginning of this thread. I'm not really sure why this became an educational system debate. Whatever we consider to be truths are only truths by convention and the proper way to educate a child is subjective and will change as times changes.

which is why it's idiotic to say "don't teach young earth creationism in schools!" in an attempt to force children to accept your worldview by presenting no alternatives

it would be more effective to teach about young earth creationism, and then explain the advantages that evolutionary theory has over YEC. or just teach kids the scientific method, and how to properly examine evidence and draw conclusions, and they will figure it out for themselves. people try to run away from YEC, or stick their head in the sand and ignore it, instead of confronting it head-on like any other scientific theory. it's very strange.

[Haggis_McMutton]

I miss the good old conservapedia links that were at the beginning of this thread. I'm not really sure why this became an educational system debate. Whatever we consider to be truths are only truths by convention and the proper way to educate a child is subjective and will change as times changes.

which is why it's idiotic to say "don't teach young earth creationism in schools!" in an attempt to force children to accept your worldview by presenting no alternatives

it would be more effective to teach about young earth creationism, and then explain the advantages that evolutionary theory has over YEC. or just teach kids the scientific method, and how to properly examine evidence and draw conclusions, and they will figure it out for themselves. people try to run away from YEC, or stick their head in the sand and ignore it, instead of confronting it head-on like any other scientific theory. it's very strange.

so how much time should we spend on the scientific theory of YEC?
how much time on the scientific theory of alchemy?
how much time on the scientific theory of the earth centered universe?
how much time on the scientific theory of the cube god?

[PLAYER57832]

I miss the good old conservapedia links that were at the beginning of this thread. I'm not really sure why this became an educational system debate. Whatever we consider to be truths are only truths by convention and the proper way to educate a child is subjective and will change as times changes.

which is why it's idiotic to say "don't teach young earth creationism in schools!" in an attempt to force children to accept your worldview by presenting no alternatives

it would be more effective to teach about young earth creationism, and then explain the advantages that evolutionary theory has over YEC. or just teach kids the scientific method, and how to properly examine evidence and draw conclusions, and they will figure it out for themselves. people try to run away from YEC, or stick their head in the sand and ignore it, instead of confronting it head-on like any other scientific theory. it's very strange.

Except if you do that, then no one will believe YEC. That's why they cannot allow that.

And no, its not that peopel run away, its that the supporters of YEC so often plain ignore facts, are utterly unwilling to truly debate. They BEGIN with so much misinformation, its very, very difficult to counter unless you actually know something about science.. and far too many teachers really do not know more than just a bunch of memorized facts.

Further, so much of education today is about "teaching to the test" ... and all the testing, even in science is about memorized definitions and other facts that are great, but mean little without a full context.

For example, YEC will use some old Cladistic arguments that were considered or debated in the not to distant past, but just conveniently "forget" to mention that these were disabused... etc. BUT, go to a school board meeting and half the parents will look at you as if you are from Venus if you even say the word "Cladistic". They are clueless.

[PLAYER57832]

I miss the good old conservapedia links that were at the beginning of this thread. I'm not really sure why this became an educational system debate. Whatever we consider to be truths are only truths by convention and the proper way to educate a child is subjective and will change as times changes.

which is why it's idiotic to say "don't teach young earth creationism in schools!" in an attempt to force children to accept your worldview by presenting no alternatives

it would be more effective to teach about young earth creationism, and then explain the advantages that evolutionary theory has over YEC. or just teach kids the scientific method, and how to properly examine evidence and draw conclusions, and they will figure it out for themselves. people try to run away from YEC, or stick their head in the sand and ignore it, instead of confronting it head-on like any other scientific theory. it's very strange.

so how much time should we spend on the scientific theory of YEC?
how much time on the scientific theory of alchemy?
how much time on the scientific theory of the earth centered universe?
how much time on the scientific theory of the cube god?

All actually should be mentioned.. but along with the huge reams of refuting evidence. Unfortunately, YEC tends to try and hide behind religion when it comes to criticism, but then wants to turn around and claim "science objectivity" when it comes to any criticism they want to voice about real science.

Its all very, very slick, which is why I STRONGLY advise folks in science to actually pay attention to sites like those put out by the Institute for Creation Research, various other creationist websites and what they are saying. It sounds great... if you have not been taught what the real truth is.

[PLAYER57832]

I miss the good old conservapedia links that were at the beginning of this thread. I'm not really sure why this became an educational system debate. Whatever we consider to be truths are only truths by convention and the proper way to educate a child is subjective and will change as times changes.

The subjects that are taught and the opinions, sure. However, facts are facts. Math and science are based on facts. Both have specific methodology that absolutely involves questioning and thinking, but if you reject the fundamental ideas because you believe "God said so", then you are not teaching anything to do with science, it is religion. Fossils are known to be made from real animals, but if you have never seen anything but pictures or paster casts, then you might well believe when someone in authority tells you that most fossils are false. Except.. that is just a lie. Most real fossils are not fakes, are not "misunderstood". Yet, go through YEC websites and all you see are the few problems species, most of which science itself found out.

YEC has no more basis than claims that the Earth is the back of a turtle.. or made by a giant Spagghetti monster. (and go backto the ORIGINAL use of that argument if you wish to repeat it, or you will miss the entire context.. I am not repeating it here because it is old territory).

[john9blue]

so how much time should we spend on the scientific theory of YEC?
how much time on the scientific theory of alchemy?
how much time on the scientific theory of the earth centered universe?
how much time on the scientific theory of the cube god?

it should take a few minutes max to disprove the last three with our current scientific knowledge.

and the last one has no historical relevance, so it can be skipped altogether

[Woodruff]

I miss the good old conservapedia links that were at the beginning of this thread. I'm not really sure why this became an educational system debate. Whatever we consider to be truths are only truths by convention and the proper way to educate a child is subjective and will change as times changes.

which is why it's idiotic to say "don't teach young earth creationism in schools!" in an attempt to force children to accept your worldview by presenting no alternatives

it would be more effective to teach about young earth creationism, and then explain the advantages that evolutionary theory has over YEC. or just teach kids the scientific method, and how to properly examine evidence and draw conclusions, and they will figure it out for themselves. people try to run away from YEC, or stick their head in the sand and ignore it, instead of confronting it head-on like any other scientific theory. it's very strange.

While I don't completely disagree with your point, the problem is time. Already as it is, far too much gets glossed over out of necessity of preparing the students for the assinine tests that determine funding.

[PLAYER57832]

I miss the good old conservapedia links that were at the beginning of this thread. I'm not really sure why this became an educational system debate. Whatever we consider to be truths are only truths by convention and the proper way to educate a child is subjective and will change as times changes.

which is why it's idiotic to say "don't teach young earth creationism in schools!" in an attempt to force children to accept your worldview by presenting no alternatives

it would be more effective to teach about young earth creationism, and then explain the advantages that evolutionary theory has over YEC. or just teach kids the scientific method, and how to properly examine evidence and draw conclusions, and they will figure it out for themselves. people try to run away from YEC, or stick their head in the sand and ignore it, instead of confronting it head-on like any other scientific theory. it's very strange.

While I don't completely disagree with your point, the problem is time. Already as it is, far too much gets glossed over out of necessity of preparing the students for the assinine tests that determine funding.

And that is the problem. These tests were "advertised" and are still promoted as ways to improve education, but what they really have done is to make life difficult or quicken the expellation of teachers who really want to teach thinking instead of just rote facts.

But then, that thinking can be soo inconvenient. It did, after all cause a few problems in the 60's and 70's.

[Woodruff]

I miss the good old conservapedia links that were at the beginning of this thread. I'm not really sure why this became an educational system debate. Whatever we consider to be truths are only truths by convention and the proper way to educate a child is subjective and will change as times changes.

which is why it's idiotic to say "don't teach young earth creationism in schools!" in an attempt to force children to accept your worldview by presenting no alternatives

it would be more effective to teach about young earth creationism, and then explain the advantages that evolutionary theory has over YEC. or just teach kids the scientific method, and how to properly examine evidence and draw conclusions, and they will figure it out for themselves. people try to run away from YEC, or stick their head in the sand and ignore it, instead of confronting it head-on like any other scientific theory. it's very strange.

While I don't completely disagree with your point, the problem is time. Already as it is, far too much gets glossed over out of necessity of preparing the students for the assinine tests that determine funding.

And that is the problem. These tests were "advertised" and are still promoted as ways to improve education, but what they really have done is to make life difficult or quicken the expellation of teachers who really want to teach thinking instead of just rote facts.

But then, that thinking can be soo inconvenient. It did, after all cause a few problems in the 60's and 70's.

I do actually believe the people behind the idea of "testing measures success" have good intent. I think they simply do not understand what "success" means when it comes to education.

[BigBallinStalin]

I miss the good old conservapedia links that were at the beginning of this thread. I'm not really sure why this became an educational system debate. Whatever we consider to be truths are only truths by convention and the proper way to educate a child is subjective and will change as times changes.

which is why it's idiotic to say "don't teach young earth creationism in schools!" in an attempt to force children to accept your worldview by presenting no alternatives

it would be more effective to teach about young earth creationism, and then explain the advantages that evolutionary theory has over YEC. or just teach kids the scientific method, and how to properly examine evidence and draw conclusions, and they will figure it out for themselves. people try to run away from YEC, or stick their head in the sand and ignore it, instead of confronting it head-on like any other scientific theory. it's very strange.

so how much time should we spend on the scientific theory of YEC?
how much time on the scientific theory of alchemy?
how much time on the scientific theory of the earth centered universe?
how much time on the scientific theory of the cube god?

Why not leave that up to the schools to decide? Allow even the bible study groups, afternoon science camps, and what not offer their own curriculum. Then, let parents decide, and we'll get feedback from the graduates and see how it plays out.