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2dimes wrote:Phatscotty wrote:Say whatever you want. Fear nothing. Who cares what other people think. Be yourself.
Really?
Phatscotty wrote:2dimes wrote:Phatscotty wrote:Say whatever you want. Fear nothing. Who cares what other people think. Be yourself.
Really?
No, not really. Be scared of everything, scared of every possibility. Only worry about what other people think. Thinking about yourself is greedy. Be exactly like everybody else.
GreecePwns wrote:"XXXXXXXXXX takes it up the ass."
If XXXXXXXXXX is an individual person, is this a homophobic insult? Why or why not?
If XXXXXXXXXX is not an individual person but a group or organization of some sort, is this a homophobic insult? Why or why not?
Phatscotty wrote:If the "individuals" are men....then the thing is, if the 2 guys who were talking about taking it up the ass in fact did take it up the ass, then it would be impossible to be homophobic.
BigBallinStalin wrote:As far as I know, whenever that phrase is used, it is implied that "taking it up the ass" was not consensual.
tkr4lf wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:As far as I know, whenever that phrase is used, it is implied that "taking it up the ass" was not consensual.
I've never known it to mean forced anal sex. I always thought it just meant being on the receiving end of consensual anal sex. Hmmm.
In what region do you live, if you don't mind me asking? Perhaps it's a regional difference?
BigBallinStalin wrote:tkr4lf wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:As far as I know, whenever that phrase is used, it is implied that "taking it up the ass" was not consensual.
I've never known it to mean forced anal sex. I always thought it just meant being on the receiving end of consensual anal sex. Hmmm.
In what region do you live, if you don't mind me asking? Perhaps it's a regional difference?
I live in one of the following cities:
Los Angeles
New York
Fairfax
Tallahasse
Wyoming
Shanghai
Manassas
Home Fries
or
Tickfaw
Army of GOD wrote:I'm not sure if it's homophobic. I guess it sort of is, but I have to admit I use this phrase (and other phrases of similar derogatory nature) often.
I agree with BBS though, is that the rhetorical meaning of the phrase is that it refers to the ass-rape being non-consensual, which is a shot at the person's masculinity.
Also, even in a consensual way, willingly taking it up the ass is pretty much still considered non-masculine.
Thus starts a long thread about bullying/accepting other lifestyles etc. etc.
BigBallinStalin wrote:Army of GOD wrote:I'm not sure if it's homophobic. I guess it sort of is, but I have to admit I use this phrase (and other phrases of similar derogatory nature) often.
I agree with BBS though, is that the rhetorical meaning of the phrase is that it refers to the ass-rape being non-consensual, which is a shot at the person's masculinity.
Also, even in a consensual way, willingly taking it up the ass is pretty much still considered non-masculine.
Thus starts a long thread about bullying/accepting other lifestyles etc. etc.
I guess so, but these "hetero-normative assumption" debates are generally not worth getting into. I think Symmetry or "natty(_)dread" are bound to expand on that...
I tend to take things straight-up *(ha ha), so the phrase "getting fucked in the ass" simply means "getting fucked over" or "being wronged" or "got a bad deal." The gender studies people tend to take it much deeper than that, so then they usually posit that the meaning of these words (interpreted by them) has some strong influence on the way (most or many) people perceive homosexuality or masculinity.
I tend to think that the change occurs before they even notice it and without their gender studies analysis. It seems like they're in a little box, talking among themselves, and no one else really cares or is affected by them.
saxitoxin wrote:What if the person taking it up the ass is a lady?
It could be FemaleFreshmanFromBYUPhobic in that case.
Army of GOD wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:Army of GOD wrote:I'm not sure if it's homophobic. I guess it sort of is, but I have to admit I use this phrase (and other phrases of similar derogatory nature) often.
I agree with BBS though, is that the rhetorical meaning of the phrase is that it refers to the ass-rape being non-consensual, which is a shot at the person's masculinity.
Also, even in a consensual way, willingly taking it up the ass is pretty much still considered non-masculine.
Thus starts a long thread about bullying/accepting other lifestyles etc. etc.
I guess so, but these "hetero-normative assumption" debates are generally not worth getting into. I think Symmetry or "natty(_)dread" are bound to expand on that...
I tend to take things straight-up *(ha ha), so the phrase "getting fucked in the ass" simply means "getting fucked over" or "being wronged" or "got a bad deal." The gender studies people tend to take it much deeper than that, so then they usually posit that the meaning of these words (interpreted by them) has some strong influence on the way (most or many) people perceive homosexuality or masculinity.
I tend to think that the change occurs before they even notice it and without their gender studies analysis. It seems like they're in a little box, talking among themselves, and no one else really cares or is affected by them.
I agree with the interpretation of "getting fucked in the ass" as "being wronged" but I also use it in other ways, like when I totally pwn n00bs on Call of Duty and then talk trash on the microphone (I'm totally making this up, but the meaning of the anecdote remains) as an insult to their masculinity.
It, like other phrases and whatnot, just come about because of differences in cultures. Like, I grew up using the words "faggot" and "retard" but never intended their use to insult homosexuals (wait, that's offensive, right? I mean "gays") or the mentally handicapped. I don't consider myself a homophobe or mentallydisabledphobe, but I'm sure other people might think that I'm a dirty scoundrel or whatnot.
Army of GOD wrote:Channeling my inner BBS, I guess people (including myself) will have to look at the opportunity costs of eliminating these words/phrases from their vocabulary. I guess I'm just a stubborn deutschebag, but I know I don't have a hatred towards certain groups, so I'll probably continue using the words/phrases that some deem offensive and I know that I'll probably be able to go through my entire life using them without many people calling me out on my use of them.
BigBallinStalin wrote:Home Fries
or
Tickfaw
natty_dread wrote:Do ponies have sex?
(proud member of the Occasionally Wrongly Banned)Army of GOD wrote:the term heterosexual is offensive. I prefer to be called "normal"
tkr4lf wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:tkr4lf wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:As far as I know, whenever that phrase is used, it is implied that "taking it up the ass" was not consensual.
I've never known it to mean forced anal sex. I always thought it just meant being on the receiving end of consensual anal sex. Hmmm.
In what region do you live, if you don't mind me asking? Perhaps it's a regional difference?
I live in one of the following cities:
Los Angeles
New York
Fairfax
Tallahasse
Wyoming
Shanghai
Manassas
Home Fries
or
Tickfaw
That explains it all.
tkr4lf wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:As far as I know, whenever that phrase is used, it is implied that "taking it up the ass" was not consensual.
I've never known it to mean forced anal sex. I always thought it just meant being on the receiving end of consensual anal sex. Hmmm.
In what region do you live, if you don't mind me asking? Perhaps it's a regional difference?
AAFitz wrote:tkr4lf wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:As far as I know, whenever that phrase is used, it is implied that "taking it up the ass" was not consensual.
I've never known it to mean forced anal sex. I always thought it just meant being on the receiving end of consensual anal sex. Hmmm.
In what region do you live, if you don't mind me asking? Perhaps it's a regional difference?
Its is commonly used to suggest one has been wronged as BBS said.
Most uses of the phrase are homophobic by nature, and in real usage, while its possible to construct a scenario where it is not, most uses would be homophobic by the phrases very nature.
When used perhaps to recount actual events, that would perhaps be the only time it wasn't specifically homophobic, but even then, could absolutely be used because of homophobic influences by the user.
One other exception, is when ex-cons use the phrase. Best not to infer anything about that usage, or ever bring it up again.
GreecePwns wrote:"XXXXXXXXXX takes it up the ass."
If XXXXXXXXXX is an individual person, is this a homophobic insult? Why or why not?
If XXXXXXXXXX is not an individual person but a group or organization of some sort, is this a homophobic insult? Why or why not?
BigBallinStalin wrote:AAFitz wrote:tkr4lf wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:As far as I know, whenever that phrase is used, it is implied that "taking it up the ass" was not consensual.
I've never known it to mean forced anal sex. I always thought it just meant being on the receiving end of consensual anal sex. Hmmm.
In what region do you live, if you don't mind me asking? Perhaps it's a regional difference?
Its is commonly used to suggest one has been wronged as BBS said.
Most uses of the phrase are homophobic by nature, and in real usage, while its possible to construct a scenario where it is not, most uses would be homophobic by the phrases very nature.
When used perhaps to recount actual events, that would perhaps be the only time it wasn't specifically homophobic, but even then, could absolutely be used because of homophobic influences by the user.
One other exception, is when ex-cons use the phrase. Best not to infer anything about that usage, or ever bring it up again.
When is that phrase "homophobic by nature"?
What does "by nature" mean? Is that something we say to add some filler into our position?
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