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Is it illegal to intentionally NOT get a card/spoil ?

Postby King Engineer on Sat Jun 30, 2012 1:38 am

If I am playing a Flatrate or Escalating game, and intentionally don't end my turn to avoid getting a card/spoil for strategic reason, then is it legal or illegal?

This 'trick' can be extremely good strategic move in various different gameplays.

Also please tell if you consider it Legal, but 'dirty' trick.
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Re: Is it illegal to intentionally NOT get a card/spoil ?

Postby DiM on Sat Jun 30, 2012 1:45 am

King Engineer wrote:If I am playing a Flatrate or Escalating game, and intentionally don't end my turn to avoid getting a card/spoil for strategic reason, then is it legal or illegal?

This 'trick' can be extremely good strategic move in various different gameplays.

Also please tell if you consider it Legal, but 'dirty' trick.



it is perfectly legal.
some players frown upon the use of such a tactic while others don't.

it's most commonly encountered in nuclear spoils where if you get a card you'll be forced to cash a set you don't want to.
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Re: Is it illegal to intentionally NOT get a card/spoil ?

Postby chaos32679 on Tue Jul 03, 2012 6:55 am

King Engineer wrote:If I am playing a Flatrate or Escalating game, and intentionally don't end my turn to avoid getting a card/spoil for strategic reason, then is it legal or illegal?

This 'trick' can be extremely good strategic move in various different gameplays.

Also please tell if you consider it Legal, but 'dirty' trick.


its legal, but dirty imo. better strategy/planning and you can avoid this...

run into this all the time in nuke, drives me nuts...
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Re: Is it illegal to intentionally NOT get a card/spoil ?

Postby JBlombier on Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:44 am

You'll only hear people here who will tell you it is either dirty or that you should use any means to win the game. I support the latter opinion, but I understand the dirtiness of it. If someone foes me for it, I find it kinda lame, but it's their right.

Anyway, it is legal. So you should use it, is my opinion.
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Re: Is it illegal to intentionally NOT get a card/spoil ?

Postby Herbas on Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:46 am

This is just using a technical "loophole" for unfair advantage. I'm fairly sure that Lack didn't intend such thing while developing 1 hour timeout.
In real life game there would be no way to go "I made attacks and I WON'T take a card" route. You'd be just forced to take a card and that's it.
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Re: Is it illegal to intentionally NOT get a card/spoil ?

Postby betiko on Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:59 am

well in flat rate it's perfectly stupid to do it... unless it changes a lot the ballance and it will make people not to kill you in multi player games.
I wouldn't mind to see the coding changed for this.
don't want a spoil well don't attack. also in speed or freestyle, if you are slightly too slow it would avoid missing spoils when it's not your intention.
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Re: Is it illegal to intentionally NOT get a card/spoil ?

Postby comic boy on Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:22 am

Its legal but to my mind pretty low , would like to see a coding change to prevent it.
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Re: Is it illegal to intentionally NOT get a card/spoil ?

Postby Crazy Frog on Tue Jul 03, 2012 6:44 pm

My biggest and only objection to it is that you are causing a delay of game for 55 or so minutes while your counter winds down... that is damn rude to the other players who are online for a limited time and are waiting for you to finish you move...
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Re: Is it illegal to intentionally NOT get a card/spoil ?

Postby ooge on Sat Jul 14, 2012 5:04 pm

legal,I have done it all the time in nuke games,It is also legal to kill your teammate for his cards
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Re: Is it illegal to intentionally NOT get a card/spoil ?

Postby agentcom on Sat Jul 14, 2012 8:03 pm

You should be warned that many players on this site adhere to certain unwritten rules and will foe and rate you accordingly if you violate them. Those rules include allowing your timer to run out to avoid a card, giving away certain information in fog games and intentionally missing turns.
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Re: Is it illegal to intentionally NOT get a card/spoil ?

Postby FamBonnet on Mon Sep 03, 2012 7:44 pm

As a new player, I would love it if someone wrote down these "unwritten rules".
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Re: Is it illegal to intentionally NOT get a card/spoil ?

Postby DJPatrick on Tue Sep 04, 2012 5:56 am

It's a weak as piss ploy but quite legal...
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Re: Is it illegal to intentionally NOT get a card/spoil ?

Postby SirSebstar on Tue Sep 04, 2012 6:57 am

FamBonnet wrote:As a new player, I would love it if someone wrote down these "unwritten rules".


I would love to help out here, however unwritten rules here mean unwritten peersonal preferances that change as they can see the advantage for themselves, or not...
My sincere advice to you would be to talk it over in gamechat, if you have questions about how nyou should act.
Just know, these epersonal preferances are not enforced. the unwritten rules (aka do not be an arse online) do get enforced if you make the abuse gross enough.
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Re: Is it illegal to intentionally NOT get a card/spoil ?

Postby Viceroy63 on Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:56 pm

FamBonnet wrote:As a new player, I would love it if someone wrote down these "unwritten rules".


As far as I am concerned, one is either an honorable player or one is not. Honor to me is simply playing as you would like to see others playing with you. In a real game you would have to accept the card, no question about that. So how come we see a loophole and say, "Oh, I don't have to accept a card because the programmers forgot to include that in the script???" The honorable thing to do is to take your card and accept your destiny in the game.

If I am waiting to cash in for 20 troops but have to settle for 15 because the player before me made everyone in the game wait an extra hour so that he gained position but not the card, you can bet that I will give him the lowest rating and tag him a cheat with an explanatory note attached. I would not want anyone to do that to me so why would I do it to anyone else.

That is where my unwritten rules are. No has to write down what is right or wrong for me. I just ask myself if I would like for others to do that to me. And then I answer myself accordingly. It's a question of personal honor.
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Re: Is it illegal to intentionally NOT get a card/spoil ?

Postby MagnusGreeol on Sun Jun 12, 2016 5:22 pm

Viceroy63 wrote:
FamBonnet wrote:As a new player, I would love it if someone wrote down these "unwritten rules".


As far as I am concerned, one is either an honorable player or one is not. Honor to me is simply playing as you would like to see others playing with you. In a real game you would have to accept the card, no question about that. So how come we see a loophole and say, "Oh, I don't have to accept a card because the programmers forgot to include that in the script???" The honorable thing to do is to take your card and accept your destiny in the game.

If I am waiting to cash in for 20 troops but have to settle for 15 because the player before me made everyone in the game wait an extra hour so that he gained position but not the card, you can bet that I will give him the lowest rating and tag him a cheat with an explanatory note attached. I would not want anyone to do that to me so why would I do it to anyone else.

That is where my unwritten rules are. No has to write down what is right or wrong for me. I just ask myself if I would like for others to do that to me. And then I answer myself accordingly. It's a question of personal honor.
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Re: Is it illegal to intentionally NOT get a card/spoil ?

Postby mookiemcgee on Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:43 pm

I thought it was illegal? But I'm no expert on the rules here. Many rules seem to make no sense to me, while other things that should be obviously illegal are not considered illegal because they are too difficult to police.

Is this not illegal in certain tourneys or clan games? I realize magnus just resurrected a really old thread, but since Black Jesus isn't here to chastise me for writing here I thought I would ask for clarification on the current (4 years later) rules on this subject from a mod or someone 'in the know'
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Re: Is it illegal to intentionally NOT get a card/spoil ?

Postby IcePack on Mon Jun 13, 2016 5:40 pm

"Oh, I don't have to accept a card because the programmers forgot to include that in the script???"


It wasn't forgotten it was intentional. So it does leave open both the opportunity to do so, and others to disagree with it.

mookiemcgee wrote:I thought it was illegal? But I'm no expert on the rules here. Many rules seem to make no sense to me, while other things that should be obviously illegal are not considered illegal because they are too difficult to police.

Is this not illegal in certain tourneys or clan games? I realize magnus just resurrected a really old thread, but since Black Jesus isn't here to chastise me for writing here I thought I would ask for clarification on the current (4 years later) rules on this subject from a mod or someone 'in the know'


It is frowned upon in clan events (not sure about tournaments but I'm assuming it's similar) and there are rules / punishments in most clan events in regards to this.

However, clan area tends to be very serious / very competitive compared to your "average everyday user" who is just here to play pick up games etc, and thus the site rules apply (allowing the activity) unless that persons internal honor system prefers to do so otherwise.

Some want it exactly the same as the board game, others like the differences, some want diplomacy like you would have in RL, others hate it and want silence, and others love fog, while on board game you wouldn't have that either.

So....it's allowed, by the site. Disallowed in most competitive areas.
And a grey area / questionable from user to user outside of it.
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Re: Is it illegal to intentionally NOT get a card/spoil ?

Postby Quirk on Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:24 pm

As a representative of the zombie community I would vote for a change. I haven't seen this done and I play almost exclusively zombie. I assume players don't know about it as this could affect the outcome of most zombie games.
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Re: Is it illegal to intentionally NOT get a card/spoil ?

Postby riskllama on Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:55 pm

stfu, quirk...
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Re: Is it illegal to intentionally NOT get a card/spoil ?

Postby pmac666 on Sun Jun 19, 2016 8:05 am

wow im surprised that its considered as dirty to some, never even thought about that lol, for me its a perfect tactics sometimes to kill games off and it will be in future :D
after reading all that i would see it like in pool and the deliberate fouls.......maybe not the most beautiful thing but sometimes absolutly necessary to win!
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