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Postby Cronus on Mon Jun 25, 2007 5:53 pm

Bob Janova wrote:I think you get 3 dice fighting 3vx (even though you can only move 2 armies forward) so 5v5 would be the breakeven point.


what?

1. defender get max of 2 dice
2. it's not a thought, it is a fact that 11 on 11 is the break point. This isn't a debate.
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Postby Petrelli4Prez on Mon Jun 25, 2007 5:54 pm

Robinette wrote:
Can I get your thoughts on adjusting an air conditioner...
Do you turn it UP to mean RAISE the temperature????
Or do you go UP to go DOWN.... :-k

where is that ice cold margarita when I really need it?


I turn UP the AC for the temperature to go down. :mrgreen:
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Postby Atarihero on Fri Jul 06, 2007 11:51 pm

Robinette wrote:So is the glass half FULL, or half EMPTY ???

If half the container has water, I have water. :wink:
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Postby rsuttles58 on Mon Jul 09, 2007 9:08 am

I've got a question along these lines. It's about dice odds.

So I was playing a game with friends last night who aren't the best of players.

I lost THREE battles where I was attacked by someone that had less troops than I had defending the territory.

1. The first one was just asinine. The guy attacked me in a 3v7 situation and WON without losing a single troop. He took that territory and then attacked with his 2 troops and broke my bonus on a territory behind it.

2. The other notable one was in a situation where I had 25 troops defending a territory and a guy attacked me with 18 troops. He won with 6 troops left over.

Did I just have the luck of the Jews here or are the odds really THAT much in favor of the attacker? My friends tried telling me that their attacking armies had the favorable odds when attacking in these situations. I actually called my girlfriend to make sure I wasn't losing my mind.
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Postby AAFitz on Mon Jul 09, 2007 9:25 am

rsuttles58 wrote:I've got a question along these lines. It's about dice odds.

So I was playing a game with friends last night who aren't the best of players.

I lost THREE battles where I was attacked by someone that had less troops than I had defending the territory.

1. The first one was just asinine. The guy attacked me in a 3v7 situation and WON without losing a single troop. He took that territory and then attacked with his 2 troops and broke my bonus on a territory behind it.

2. The other notable one was in a situation where I had 25 troops defending a territory and a guy attacked me with 18 troops. He won with 6 troops left over.

Did I just have the luck of the Jews here or are the odds really THAT much in favor of the attacker? My friends tried telling me that their attacking armies had the favorable odds when attacking in these situations. I actually called my girlfriend to make sure I wasn't losing my mind.


the 3 to 7 attack is very rare, but it does occasionally happen, the 18 to 24 is a very wise attack to make if you have nothing to lose....id much rather make the attack than let the 24 butcher my 18...
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Postby Grisle on Sat Jul 14, 2007 3:02 pm

alex_white101 wrote:well then, how come i attacked a 35 on 35 and ended 3 vs 25?!?!?!


You should have never let your armies get that low.
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Postby rondosocal on Fri Jul 20, 2007 12:30 am

Thank you. Excellent bit of data.
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cronus....

Postby calkid on Tue Jul 24, 2007 5:19 pm

if you are good at figuring out odds, i would like a breakdown of the odds when there is the same amount of armie on each territory. include the extra dice for the attatcker and the tie(WIN) for the defender. i would like to see a breakdown from 1vs 1 TO 15 vs 15 instead of just stating the odds. i want to know how you come up with that.
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Re: cronus....

Postby TipTop on Sun Jul 29, 2007 12:25 pm

calkid wrote:if you are good at figuring out odds, i would like a breakdown of the odds when there is the same amount of armie on each territory. include the extra dice for the attatcker and the tie(WIN) for the defender. i would like to see a breakdown from 1vs 1 TO 15 vs 15 instead of just stating the odds. i want to know how you come up with that.



Just use this http://gamesbyemail.com/Games/Gambit/BattleOdds
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Re: 11 on 11 is the last number where defender has advantage

Postby Cynther on Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:10 pm

Robinette wrote:
chessplaya wrote:
alex_white101 wrote:well then, how come i attacked a 35 on 35 and ended 3 vs 25?!?!?!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

he said a 50.4% chance to succeed




Which is also a 49.6% chance of failure...



So is the glass half FULL, or half EMPTY ???

For me it all depends on what's IN the glass...
If it's an Ice cold margarita, the glass is half FULL :)
If it's a tepid beer, the glass is definitely half EMPTY :(

Go now, and apply this lesson to your Risk strategy!


Well if he says the situation ended with 3 vs. 25, technically he didn't fail. He still has a possibility of winning the territory. It's all about believing =)
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Re: 11 on 11 is the last number where defender has advantage

Postby Campin_Killer on Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:10 am

Nice necro-bump...xD
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Re: 11 on 11 is the last number where defender has advantage

Postby Viceroy63 on Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:01 pm

Cynther wrote:
chessplaya wrote:
alex_white101 wrote:well then, how come i attacked a 35 on 35 and ended 3 vs 25?!?!?!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

he said a 50.4% chance to succeed


Well if he says the situation ended with 3 vs. 25, technically he didn't fail. He still has a possibility of winning the territory. It's all about believing =)


Believe what? That 3 troops can defeat 25?

Now I believe that am losing my mind. Can I call on some one's girlfriend please. Or some one offer me a half filled keg gar of Margarita. =)
:lol:

I guess that "Gambit" site help me to lose my mind as well. I can't figure out like it reads there. Attackers = 3. Defenders = 2. Rolls = 7776! My god man! From what planet does this come from. And watch out if there is a split? Lol.

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Re: 11 on 11 is the last number where defender has advantage

Postby Eddygp on Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:10 am

It only states the number of possible dice roll combinations with attack and defense. It is 6^5 which is indeed 7776. Check your maths, in CC they are very useful. I have created a formula to know whether I have a region correctly defended. I will only mention it involves a square root.
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Postby ZeekLTK on Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:00 pm

Grisle wrote:
alex_white101 wrote:well then, how come i attacked a 35 on 35 and ended 3 vs 25?!?!?!


You should have never let your armies get that low.



What is a general rule for a "cut off" point then?

26v25 - attacker still has the advantage, obviously keep going

24v25 - one bad roll, still have the overall advantage - keep going

20v25 - "well, I got some bad rolls but odds are that it will even out and I can still win this" - keep going

16v25 - really bad rolls, but odds are that it will "even out" and I'll get some rolls where I take 2 and lose 0 - keep going

11v25 - now it's looking shitty but this isn't a good position to leave yourself in - let the other play attack you 25+reinforcements v 11? Gotta keep going... 3v25 - damn!

So when would you stop?
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Re: 11 on 11 is the last number where defender has advantage

Postby mr. CD on Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:27 pm

Dice don't even out, that's not how odds work. It all depends on the circumstances, if it's a spot that needs to be broken, you might want to go on a little longer, if it doesn't 20v25 might be the moment to stop.
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