it's a bit difficult for me to write this pm. But I find myself in an unconfortable situation.
I know that you have many things to do and probably these are not only related with CC.
We had a chat in past in which were made some promises to me. I think that I have been patient for a very long long time, trying to keep people calm and funny.
But, unfortunately (for you) I'm not only your foundry foreman but also a mapmaker.
I think that it's not easy to fit both this roles in the same time but I do my best to do my job here in the best way.
To my eyes, be the foundry foreman is not only try to push the map production and manage the foundry but also listen and make everything is possible to "protect" the foundry community.
In the last 2 years I've seen the foundry community become smaller and smaller every day. Right now we're just a bunch of people and there's no so much we can do to change things if you don't try to promote the foundry in the proper way on the site.
For a long time i tried to wait without complain everyday, trying to be foreman first and then mapmaker.
Today, I've decided to go in the opposite way and think as mapmaker and not be the foreman....help the mapmakers and then the site.
For this reason I'm saying to you that me and a "large" (considering how much people visit the foundry) group of mapmaker have decided to stop produce maps and updates untill you will show some love for us.
Let me state clear that I'm not a backstabber, I'm not betraying you or the site....on the opposite I would pay to have the foreman role as "full time job", but I've decided with some others to put you in a corner and " force" you to take care of us.
This is not like say: "I'm a crying baby, gimme some updates or I won't draw the maps anymore!"
It's more: "You're losing your mapmakers, this would be CC without us!"
I hope you understand what we're trying to do, I hope you don't take this as a personal act against you. I hope you understand that if we're going to do this, is because we have no more way to let you know that things are wrong, really wrong in the foundry.
People want to hear your thoughts, your plans, see things come.
Obviously, since I'm a democratic person I've not forced anyone to join this "protest action", the mapmakers who want to continue to produce maps are free to do that and we (as Cas) will check them and we will help them anyway.
On the opposite, let me say clear that I won't send to you any update or new maps till, at least, a serious discussion between you, me and the mapmaking community is taken.
As said, all this is done to have a better site and not to destroy it!
I hope you understand, I'm here and want to help, but there're things that need to be done sometime.
If you want discuss I'm here
thenobodies80 wrote:This because new maps are exactly variants of the existing ones and it is exactly what we're saying.
If new elements are given we can add more. (ex, conditional borders)
If this is not what the site admins want, then it's enough say it and we will find something else to do.
So your statement says exactly what we're saying, with no support the foundry is dead because it becomes not needed, although it is a primary part of the site.
ps. lol @DiM
thenobodies80 wrote:I could say the same for tournaments or clans or medal or games.
thenobodies80 wrote:Your point is totally subjective and tou have to take in account you are on this site from 2007, your vision doesn't match with everyone else vision. and let me say you have bad vision of life (or a boring one). I love each day i live on this earth like it was the first.
thenobodies80 wrote:Said that I thought also about the fact we have lot of maps and I came with a proposal that was rejected because too hard to implement.
There are not too many maps, just they are managed in the wrong way and not from today, we can easily go back to 2009.
greenoaks wrote:an awesome map created when there are only 4 maps is an awesome map, an awesome map created when there is 200 maps is a great map, an awesome map created when we have 7000 maps, 200 of which are considered awesome will elicit a 'meh' from the community.
Pedronicus wrote:For someone who has been here from the start, can you map boffins explain what you could or would like to do with maps that is unable to be done with the code at your disposal?
Just coming on here moaning about lack not backing you up, is pretty meaningless to us game players, unless you can explain what new ideas you've had.
MrBenn wrote:When I stepped down as Foundry Foreman, I deliberately left out my reasons for doing so. I know too well the struggles described by thenobodies80, and I support this action wholeheartedly.
Whatever lackattack has said about the importance of conquerclub's maps is undermined by his complete disregard for the foundry (including the game-finder/map-browser). To lackattack: Orthopraxy (what you do) is more properly basic than orthodoxy (what you think).
MrBenn wrote: I remember with great clarity my first contributions (to Dust Bowl and the British Isles revamp), and the thrill of seeing a suggestion come to life (the Sparkling Cherry on the Conquer Man Cake!).
Pedronicus wrote:Mod Edit
Pedronicus wrote:you stepping down as foundry foreman was a complete non event. Until I read you post I wasn't even aware of the fact that you held a position
Pedronicus wrote:Oooooh! big words!
Robespierre__ wrote:What I don't understand is why this great bunch of volunteers does not feel supported by Lack. While it seems they have logic and reason behind their dissatisfaction, that actually does not matter. The very fact that they *FEEL* dissatisfied is all that should matter to Lack. That feeling needs to be addressed else you will get what you have here: volunteers not wanting to volunteer. Please, Lack. Care about what these guys feel. They are trying to help. Don't make them feel like they are running into a brick wall.
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