[Med] BETA Map Medal

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[Med] BETA Map Medal

Postby IcePack on Tue Apr 05, 2011 10:25 am

Concise description:
  • add a new medal category for maps played while in Beta.

Specifics/Details:
  • Similar to the Newly added Random Medal, keep track of games that areplayed while a map is in beta and award medals accordingly.

How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:
  • helps map making process, contributes to those who make & balance new maps. While rewarding those who are the first to forge ahead and play.

    That is all.
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Re: Beta Medal

Postby Metsfanmax on Tue Apr 05, 2011 10:26 am

This is an excellent idea. Of course, it would be best if the people who played those Beta maps often contributed their thoughts in the map thread, but raw statistics from lots of games are probably still valuable if the mapmaker uses them correctly.
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Re: Beta Medal

Postby Ninja Champion on Tue Apr 05, 2011 1:47 pm

I disagree with the idea, I think the point of beta is to work out any unbalanced gameplay in the map and sometimes the maps are changed.. how many times was das schloss changed before it came out of beta? It's a decent idea but I don't see it plausible
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Re: Beta Medal

Postby IcePack on Tue Apr 05, 2011 2:39 pm

Ninja Champion wrote:I disagree with the idea, I think the point of beta is to work out any unbalanced gameplay in the map and sometimes the maps are changed.. how many times was das schloss changed before it came out of beta? It's a decent idea but I don't see it plausible


Shouldnt the ones who suffer thru and help them discover needed changes and balancing get rewarded? I understand random is different, but we give all kinds of GA and other recognition medals. This also shows you play it often before it becomes a regular map.

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Re: Beta Medal

Postby sniffie on Tue Apr 05, 2011 3:19 pm

Ninja Champion wrote:I disagree with the idea, I think the point of beta is to work out any unbalanced gameplay in the map and sometimes the maps are changed.. how many times was das schloss changed before it came out of beta? It's a decent idea but I don't see it plausible


totally right.
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Re: Beta Medal

Postby Metsfanmax on Tue Apr 05, 2011 3:38 pm

der sniffter wrote:
Ninja Champion wrote:I disagree with the idea, I think the point of beta is to work out any unbalanced gameplay in the map and sometimes the maps are changed.. how many times was das schloss changed before it came out of beta? It's a decent idea but I don't see it plausible


totally right.


The only way unbalanced gameplay is determined is by extensive playtesting. Rewarding that playtesting encourages more of it, which in turn gives the mapmakers more information about their map. The point of the Beta medal isn't to reward people for being good at maps that haven't been thoroughly vetted yet; it's to reward people for contributing to the CC community.
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Re: Beta Medal

Postby IcePack on Tue Apr 05, 2011 5:19 pm

Metsfanmax wrote:
der sniffter wrote:
Ninja Champion wrote:I disagree with the idea, I think the point of beta is to work out any unbalanced gameplay in the map and sometimes the maps are changed.. how many times was das schloss changed before it came out of beta? It's a decent idea but I don't see it plausible


totally right.


The only way unbalanced gameplay is determined is by extensive playtesting. Rewarding that playtesting encourages more of it, which in turn gives the mapmakers more information about their map. The point of the Beta medal isn't to reward people for being good at maps that haven't been thoroughly vetted yet; it's to reward people for contributing to the CC community.


Ty for explaining this better than I could :)
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Re: Beta Medal

Postby shocked439 on Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:06 pm

This is a great idea. I love playing beta and don't always give feedback because i try to read some of the forum and see if my idea had been mentioned before. But rewarding players for playing beta is a great idea. A beta medal would encourage people to play more beta maps and this will result in more beta conversations. People still make suggestions on old maps think about how many more suggestions people would throw out there on maps that still need it.
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Re: Beta Medal

Postby AndyDufresne on Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:14 am

Hm, it is an interesting idea. I'm not sure how feasible it is---in the sense I'm not sure if Lack stores information on 'Beta' (not unlike how we didn't immediately store information on Random Maps after they were no longer random). This idea kind of reminds of me of a type of medal various other (gaming and non-gaming) websites have---something like the 'Bug Squasher' medal---in the sense of you get a medal for helping identify issues.

A Beta Medal is a little bit different, since ideally there would be no issues to identify, so its a mix of of say CrossMaps and the above medal notion. Hm. I don't think I'm sold on it, but more discussion would be interesting.


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Re: Beta Medal

Postby SuicidalSnowman on Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:34 am

I like the theory behind this, that it gets more people playtesting, and there should be a reward for possibly sacrificing your points on maps that might be unbalanced, but at the same time, I don't know if this should be implemented.

I am a little worried about a few things.

1) The coding of it. Like Andy pointed out, it is entirely possible that this isn't currently tracked, but more importantly, what happens when a game is started in BETA and then quenched? Do those games count if they end after? Also, this sounds to me like a coding nightmare.

2) I am worried that this relies too heavily on other factors. What happens if the Foundry ever slows down?

3) I don't think you can give an award for something that isn't a full site feature. These maps are in BETA because they are not fully operational, they may be unbalanced, occasionally there are full XML errors that prevent territories from attacking, they may have other issues, they may change. While I do think it is great that the community works to fix these, I don't think it is appropriate for this to be medal worthy.
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[Med] BETA Map Medal

Postby hotfire on Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:54 am

Concise description:
  • Add a beta achievement medal.

Specifics/Details:
  • Games that start when a map is still in the beta stage would qualify for this medal

How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:
  • With more people playing betas it would decrease feedback time on maps greatly. Map errors and gameplay issues could be found and fixed sooner.
  • It would be a fun medal to try for, because trying new maps is enjoyable for most.
  • I sometimes have difficulty filling beta games i create and this would improve that aspect. I can always find teammates who want to learn a new map with me, but finding opponents is more difficult.
  • Map quench dates are listed somewhere, so finding games that started as beta in the past would be possible.
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Re: beta achievement

Postby nolefan5311 on Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:55 pm

This is a great idea. Would also increase Foundry participation.
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Re: beta achievement

Postby x-raider on Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:39 pm

nolefan5311 wrote:This is a great idea. Would also increase Foundry participation.

Oh yes, Definitely!

The best of the current medal ideas.
Would make for a cool icon.
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Re: beta achievement

Postby deantursx on Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:30 pm

I support this!
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Re: beta achievement

Postby koontz1973 on Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:32 am

nolefan5311 wrote:This is a great idea. Would also increase Foundry participation.

But at the wrong time. We need people to look at the foundry a lot earlier than beta.

As for a beta trophy, no problem with it. But how would you do it. Beat 400 opponents for the gold like normal, and as you said, finding players can be hard so this might get some more player (trophy hunters) till they get the gold.

Have it as games instead of payers.
Win 20 bronze
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Re: beta achievement

Postby x-raider on Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:35 am

Good idea Koontz.
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Re: beta achievement

Postby agentcom on Sat Jul 07, 2012 9:31 pm

koontz1973 wrote:
nolefan5311 wrote:This is a great idea. Would also increase Foundry participation.

But at the wrong time. We need people to look at the foundry a lot earlier than beta.



Getting players to actively participate in the foundry isn't going to happen. However, this at least has the potential to get players involved at the beta stage. I like the idea anyway (I'm usually in support of new medal ideas), but I like it even more that it could encourage some foundry participation even at the beta stage.
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Re: beta achievement

Postby babagonosh on Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:35 am

I like it....but would old beta games count?...games that are already finished?
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Re: beta achievement

Postby zimmah on Sun Jul 08, 2012 6:51 am

babagonosh wrote:I like it....but would old beta games count?...games that are already finished?


i don't think there's a way to measure that.
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Re: beta achievement

Postby koontz1973 on Sun Jul 08, 2012 11:43 am

zimmah wrote:
babagonosh wrote:I like it....but would old beta games count?...games that are already finished?


i don't think there's a way to measure that.

Just have everyone start fresh.
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Re: beta achievement

Postby agentcom on Sun Jul 08, 2012 3:04 pm

koontz1973 wrote:
zimmah wrote:
babagonosh wrote:I like it....but would old beta games count?...games that are already finished?


i don't think there's a way to measure that.

Just have everyone start fresh.


Just like with random
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Re: beta achievement

Postby badlouie on Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:19 am

Love this idea. I've missed out on playing some games in beta simply because the games can take forever to fill. This would certainly spur extra players to dive in.
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Re: beta achievement

Postby hotfire on Tue Jul 17, 2012 12:49 pm

thanks for the support everyone!
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Re: beta achievement

Postby koontz1973 on Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:19 am

I am going to bump this great idea to the top of the list. I still feel it needs some tweaking but the idea of winning 400 games for a gold would be a great achievement and to have a medal for it would be really nice. As I said earlier (last year in fact) the games instead of players for the medal.
  • Win 20 bronze
  • win 100 silver
  • win 400 gold
Having it start fresh, so everyone starts at 0 will get players more interested in new games now and not have players getting a medal for being on the site for a long time. Also, with it starting fresh, this should make it easier to programme for the site as a whole.
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Re: BETA Map Medal

Postby agentcom on Thu Feb 07, 2013 7:18 pm

Don't forget diamond/platinum/onyx or whatever we're calling it :)
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Clan Achievement (8) General Contribution (2)

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