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[Limited Edition] Colosseum - Battle Royale Map

Postby samuelc812 on Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:05 pm

Map Name: Colosseum
Mapmaker(s): samuelc812
Number of Territories: 157
Special Features: - Limited Edition Map - Battle Royale Map
- Bombardments
- One way Assaults
- Autodeploy
- Starting Neutrals
- Killer Neutrals
- Override Bonuses
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XML: http://www.conquerclub.com/maps/Colosseum.xml

Map Rules

Players can assault anyone in the same area except audience and aisle

Audience
- Audiences A or B assault each other only where connected (example A1 assault A2 or A8)
- Audiences A or B one way assault aisle lv1
- Connect Entry points
Aisle
- Aisle lv1 one way assault Aisle lv2
- Aisle lv2 one way assault Aisle lv3
- Aisle lv3 one way assault Emperor
- Start with 2 neutral troops
Entry Points
- Connect gladiators area
- Connect Armouries
- Connect Audience Members
- Do NOT connect other entry points
- Reset to 3 neutrals each turn
- Start with 3 neutrals troops
Emperor
- Starts with 5 neutral troops
- Bombard all gladiators
- +1 autodeploy each turn
Armouries
- Armouries I, VI, VII and XII start with 4 neutral troops
- Armouries II, III, IV, V, VIII, IX, X, XI start with 2 neutral troops (2 troops for each weapon)
Armouries Bonuses
- Swords --> 1= +1; 2=+2; >2=0
- Shields --> 1=+1; >1= -1
- Daggers --> 1=+1; >1= -1
- Tridentes --> 1=+1; >1= -1
- Tridens+Shield or Sword + Shield = +4 Note: this bonus override all positive sword, shield and trident bonuses
- Chariots 1=+2; >1= -2
Beasts
- Start with 3 neutral troops
- Give +1 autodeploy
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Re: [Limited Edition] Colosseum - Battle Royale Map

Postby thenobodies80 on Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:15 pm

Although this map is defined as "limited edition map" because it was developed behind the scenes for the associated event, this topic has been created to provide to you a place where you can make suggestions, comments or report problems with the map. Please use the following topic only for these purposes.

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Re: [Limited Edition] Colosseum - Battle Royale Map

Postby Mande1992 on Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:34 am

I am currently playing this map and I would like to suggest that the wording in the legend for the bonuses be adjusted.

The shield and sword, OR shield and trident bonus should be noted that it is an exclusive or, you can hold one or the other but not both in order to get the bonus. I currently am in that situation and ended up taking both the sword and trident because the legend did not say that would remove all my bonuses :( http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=10367905

I am also not sure if you get another shield and sword set from a different armory, will you get the bonus the second time?

Thanks for considering,
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Re: [Limited Edition] Colosseum - Battle Royale Map

Postby DiM on Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:31 am

this is a limited edition map.
this means that it hasn't been created using the normal foundry process hence it most likely has flaws ranging from shitty graphics to gameplay mistakes and legend clarity issues.
the sad part is nobody is gonna bother changing it.
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Re: [Limited Edition] Colosseum - Battle Royale Map

Postby mikey4 on Sat Jul 14, 2012 8:30 pm

If the entrances reset to neutral every turn and its a trench game how would anyone be able to go from one section to another?
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Re: [Limited Edition] Colosseum - Battle Royale Map

Postby sundance123 on Sat Jul 14, 2012 8:38 pm

In trench you caan attack the territories connected to neutral reset territories (in this case entrances) on the same go you take it.
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Re: [Limited Edition] Colosseum - Battle Royale Map

Postby sherkaner on Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:41 pm

Mande1992 wrote:I am currently playing this map and I would like to suggest that the wording in the legend for the bonuses be adjusted.

The shield and sword, OR shield and trident bonus should be noted that it is an exclusive or, you can hold one or the other but not both in order to get the bonus. I currently am in that situation and ended up taking both the sword and trident because the legend did not say that would remove all my bonuses :( http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=10367905

I am also not sure if you get another shield and sword set from a different armory, will you get the bonus the second time?

Thanks for considering,
Mande.

Looks like nobody responded to this, but I think it is a coding error actually. The map was just put up a bit too fast, and now it's in heavier rotation so more ppl will complain.
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Re: [Limited Edition] Colosseum - Battle Royale Map

Postby thenobodies80 on Wed Jul 25, 2012 5:57 am

Mande1992 wrote:The shield and sword, OR shield and trident bonus should be noted that it is an exclusive or, you can hold one or the other but not both in order to get the bonus. I currently am in that situation and ended up taking both the sword and trident because the legend did not say that would remove all my bonuses


Yes it does. Lower-left corner.
1 trident and 1 shield OR 1 sword and 1 shield give you +4
If you hold one of them, the bonus overrides all positive sword, shield and trident bonuses.

So it's clear that if hold one of them you can't gain your other bonuses, being all them a "sword, shield or trident" bonuses.

Mande1992 wrote:I am also not sure if you get another shield and sword set from a different armory, will you get the bonus the second time?


A sword and a shield or a trident and a shield, it's not a sword (or a trident) + a shield for each armoury....so no, it's given just once.. Otherwise it would be stated on the map.

sherkaner wrote:I think it is a coding error actually.

No errors into the code.

What can be done, if the word "override" is not clear is try to find a better wording for that part of the legend.

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Re: [Limited Edition] Colosseum - Battle Royale Map

Postby trinicardinal on Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:05 am

thenobodies80 wrote:
Mande1992 wrote:The shield and sword, OR shield and trident bonus should be noted that it is an exclusive or, you can hold one or the other but not both in order to get the bonus. I currently am in that situation and ended up taking both the sword and trident because the legend did not say that would remove all my bonuses


Yes it does. Lower-left corner.
1 trident and 1 shield OR 1 sword and 1 shield give you +4
If you hold one of them, the bonus overrides all positive sword, shield and trident bonuses.

So it's clear that if hold one of them you can't gain your other bonuses, being all them a "sword, shield or trident" bonuses.


In this case though what Mande might mean is that if you hold a trident, sword and shield you only get a +1 instead of +4. so you lose the +4 bonus... the fact that it is an exclusive OR (XOR) function is not clear in the legend and a number of people have gotten caught with it. In fact it seems to be the most common question that I have had to answer in live chat in relation to this map. I do think that the legend can be a little clearer on that matter.
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Re: [Limited Edition] Colosseum - Battle Royale Map

Postby thenobodies80 on Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:47 am

trinicardinal wrote:In this case though what Mande might mean is that if you hold a trident, sword and shield you only get a +1 instead of +4. so you lose the +4 bonus...


Can you provide me an example into a game?
You should receive +4 in any case except tha case in which you hold a negative bonus, in fact the legend says that it overrides all POSTIVE bonuses.
I don't think you received just +1 instead of +4 without having a negative bonus, but I looked just at the code, never played the map O:)

About the legend, I'm discussing that with isaiah and Andy to find a bit of space for a better explanation. ;)

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Re: [Limited Edition] Colosseum - Battle Royale Map

Postby B the impaler on Thu Aug 09, 2012 8:04 am

If I own 2 swords plus one shield will my bonus be +5 or at the least +4 (excluding the +1 for second sword being that's it's positive bonus is overridden by the sword/shield combo)?

4 for the sword/shield combo
1 for the stand alone sword

I understand the board states that the sword/shield combo overrides ALL positive bonuses but in the case of the sword you're technically allowed to hold two without penalty.

In the case I don't get the additional bonus for the second sword will it nullify my sword/shield combo bonus? Or will it just act as a regular territory?

To clarify: will I be penalised for holding an additional sword if I already own a sword/shield bonus? I don't believe the legend is clear on this.

Thanks so much.
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Re: [Limited Edition] Colosseum - Battle Royale Map

Postby B the impaler on Sun Aug 12, 2012 7:27 pm

Any suggestions? I realise it's a code thing. Contact the map maker?
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Re: [Limited Edition] Colosseum - Battle Royale Map

Postby thenobodies80 on Mon Aug 13, 2012 8:19 am

B the impaler wrote:If I own 2 swords plus one shield will my bonus be +5 or at the least +4 (excluding the +1 for second sword being that's it's positive bonus is overridden by the sword/shield combo)?

4 for the sword/shield combo
1 for the stand alone sword

I understand the board states that the sword/shield combo overrides ALL positive bonuses but in the case of the sword you're technically allowed to hold two without penalty.

In the case I don't get the additional bonus for the second sword will it nullify my sword/shield combo bonus? Or will it just act as a regular territory?

To clarify: will I be penalised for holding an additional sword if I already own a sword/shield bonus? I don't believe the legend is clear on this.

Thanks so much.


If you own 2 swords and 1 shield you qualify for these bonuses:

    1 sword + 1 shield = +4
    2 swords = +2
    1 shield= +1
    total = +7

But you hold 1 sword and 1 shield that overrides ALL positive sword, shield and trident bonuses so you will receive just +4

    1 sword + 1 shield = +4
    2 swords = +2
    1 shield= +1
    total = +4

And no, you won't be penalized with the swords because the bonuses are all positive or equal to zero so in the worst case they are overriden (canceled) by the other bonus.
Instead, to be penalized, you should hold 2+ shields and 1 sword (+3*), or 2+ shield and 1 trident (+3*), or 1 shield and 2+ trident (+3*), or 2+ shields and 2+ tridents (+2*).
Note: * (total value of your bonus)
In few words,you will be penalized, in every single case you have a negative bonus (that is NOT overridden by the 1 sword/1 trident + 1 shield bonus).

It's important to understand that when one bonus overrides another, the latter is not given.

B the impaler wrote:Any suggestions? I realise it's a code thing. Contact the map maker?


Like I said previously the xml is ok.
The problem is the legend and we're looking for a way to contact the mapmaker and change it in accordance to the feedback received. :)

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Re: [Limited Edition] Colosseum - Battle Royale Map

Postby Dukasaur on Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:21 am

thenobodies80 wrote:
B the impaler wrote:If I own 2 swords plus one shield will my bonus be +5 or at the least +4 (excluding the +1 for second sword being that's it's positive bonus is overridden by the sword/shield combo)?

4 for the sword/shield combo
1 for the stand alone sword

I understand the board states that the sword/shield combo overrides ALL positive bonuses but in the case of the sword you're technically allowed to hold two without penalty.

In the case I don't get the additional bonus for the second sword will it nullify my sword/shield combo bonus? Or will it just act as a regular territory?

To clarify: will I be penalised for holding an additional sword if I already own a sword/shield bonus? I don't believe the legend is clear on this.

Thanks so much.


If you own 2 swords and 1 shield you qualify for these bonuses:

    1 sword + 1 shield = +4
    2 swords = +2
    1 shield= +1
    total = +7

But you hold 1 sword and 1 shield that overrides ALL positive sword, shield and trident bonuses so you will receive just +4

    1 sword + 1 shield = +4
    2 swords = +2
    1 shield= +1
    total = +4

And no, you won't be penalized with the swords because the bonuses are all positive or equal to zero so in the worst case they are overriden (canceled) by the other bonus.
Instead, to be penalized, you should hold 2+ shields and 1 sword (+3*), or 2+ shield and 1 trident (+3*), or 1 shield and 2+ trident (+3*), or 2+ shields and 2+ tridents (+2*).
Note: * (total value of your bonus)
In few words,you will be penalized, in every single case you have a negative bonus (that is NOT overridden by the 1 sword/1 trident + 1 shield bonus).

It's important to understand that when one bonus overrides another, the latter is not given.

B the impaler wrote:Any suggestions? I realise it's a code thing. Contact the map maker?


Like I said previously the xml is ok.
The problem is the legend and we're looking for a way to contact the mapmaker and change it in accordance to the feedback received. :)

Does a chariot count as a weapon for this purpose?
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Re: [Limited Edition] Colosseum - Battle Royale Map

Postby BeauJyles on Tue Aug 28, 2012 10:52 am

Hi,

Can someone with a sword territory in an armoury attack another territory within the same armoury or does a gladiator have to "enter inside the armoury" before attacking the neutrals for the weapons?

If your gladiator is dead, does the sword bonus still count? If so, can a sword territory (in the armoury) venture out into the arena and take over a gladiator?

It looks to me that a gladiator can get a maximum of +7 troops from weapons bonuses (1+ dagger, 4+ shield/sword and +2 charriot), is this correct?

Thanks in advance! :D
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