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[pancakemix]

I need to double check the vote count but I intend to vote Count.

Lawl.

On topic, I'd like to put forward a postulate: T>=3. This is based on the fact that we know T>=2 and the possibility that T is an odd number based on the number of kills.

If you would, please vote in favor or against this postulate. I am in favor.

T>=3?
For: PCM
Against:

[jonty125]

On topic, I'd like to put forward a postulate: T>=3. This is based on the fact that we know T>=2 and the possibility that T is an odd number based on the number of kills.

I aren't. All the setups have a mafia goon, so it does not eliminate any of them. For all we know, T=0, and there are only 2 mafia left and we had a noob vigilante.

[Count Belisle]

Vote Count

Count(4) - PCM, Vio, trini, betiko
Jonty (1) - IB
Samgrossy (1) - thechuck
Thechuck51 (1) - sam
IB (1) - jonty

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch (or 3 if deadline is reached).
Deadline is Sep 5th.

Count Belisle and vodean have not voted or posted yet. I am prodding them both now.

can you please recheck the vote count , I only have 3 votes.
to answer how I voted, well I couldn't pick between campin and redhedge, so I sincerely meant what I said when to redhedge about when it comes to school, so for as bad of a player as I 'm I actully roll a pair of dice to see who I was going to vote for, I thought it would be worst if I didn't vote. I was also asking if we were going to ask redhedge some questions too since he came close to lynching as campin did and he was pushed to claim. Man this is a tricky game you get into trouble if you keep your mouth shut, or if you do say something, so if I picked campin would everything be O.K.? or should have I voted without being a smartass like I did this time. So where do we go from here?

[betiko]

On topic, I'd like to put forward a postulate: T>=3. This is based on the fact that we know T>=2 and the possibility that T is an odd number based on the number of kills.

I aren't. All the setups have a mafia goon, so it does not eliminate any of them. For all we know, T=0, and there are only 2 mafia left and we had a noob vigilante.

wut????
T>=2 is a rock solid fact jonty, we have 2 VTs dead.
Regarding T being an odd number, depends if town has a killing role, but if not and the kill was performed by a serial killer, well yes T is an odd number for fact looking at the remaning possibilities from my list (Even though a town killing role+serial killer is possible). A serial killer means T=3 or T=5 or T=7, but this is not a fact just a very likely postulate. wil have to be taken in consideration in the VT claims.

regarding count belisle's defense, it smells more and more scum to me. Definitely want to hear him claim.

[vodean]

ive been reading along, but havent really had anything to contribute. everyone is just discussing math. vote CB because i have to have a vote, and his last post just trips all of my scumdars.

[DoomYoshi]

Vote Count

Count(5) - PCM, Vio, trini, betiko, vodean
Jonty (1) - IB
Samgrossy (1) - thechuck
Thechuck51 (1) - sam
IB (1) - jonty

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch (or 3 if deadline is reached).
Deadline is Sep 5th.

Count Belisle and vodean have not voted or posted yet. I am prodding them both now.

As far as I can tell, the vote count is correct. Count is at L-1.

[trinicardinal]

vodean hasn't had much to say but did at least post 1 post as far as I see... Count is suspiciously absent.... especially considering that he is at L-1... have to check to see if he's been posting/.active otherwise... but that willhave to wait till tomorrow...


@pcm.,.. not sure - maybe... I have to get some time to try to work out the possible setups given what we already know... I honestly still haven't been able to work out for myself the T>= 2 part yet so i can't say... hopefully I'll have time to dig into that tomorrow

[Iron Butterfly]

Jonty's vote should be on count besisle.

You have jonty voting for me for your last two vote counts

[DoomYoshi]

Jonty's vote should be on count besisle.

You have jonty voting for me for your last two vote counts

Can you quote the post where jonty voted for count?

[Iron Butterfly]

@ jonty

I agree that if Campin was a one shot tracker then that would mean that there would have to be a full tracker otherwise... what I cannot follow is that where Campin is scum (as proven) that there is " there is 99.9998% chance that we have AT LEAST one tracker". I don't follow how you came up with that conclusion... maybe I'm just dense but I don't get it... Also while I agree that in most circumstances I would not expect a vig to kill N1 I can understand why a vig might choose to go against that convention on this occasion with Campin. Certainly if I were a vig and had decided to kill on N1 Campin would have been my top choice... As it turns out it definitely worked for us and given everything I can understand why a vig might have decided that it was worth the risk.

killing Campin N1 also means that, since we don't have to lynch him today, we are free to pursue other leads and maybe get a lot more information to help us. with all that being said your vote on IB looks a bit like an OMGUS vote to me. it seems to come down to - because he agreed with a vig kill on N1 voted for me so FOS on you, jonty, for that

@ pcm

- I follow you with the K is >=1 OR T is an odd number but I don't follow how you got T is >=2 could you expand on it for me.... to me any value of T results in a set up that has a Mafia Goon in it.

@ Vio

Based on what I read all possible roles are as follows

Vanilla Townie
Town Tracker
Town 1-Shot Tracker
Town Doctor
Town Jailkeeper
Town Hider
Town 1-Shot Commuter
Town Vengeful
Town Vigilante
Town Role Cop
Town Gunsmith
Mafia Goon
Mafia 1-Shot Bus Driver
Mafia JOAT
Serial Killer

not all will exist and some can only exist if others exist so, for example, the 1shot tracker wouldn't be there unless there was already a tracker.

I agree that Count's timing for the vote switch is unusual... in fact given the deadline Count ended up casting the lynching vote and its strange that it was so quickly after Campin's vote as well - as you say it could just be coincidence but it could also have been bandwagonning by mafia. His stated reason for the switch in vote isn't exactly the best either:

I know what Redhedge is talking about I have been there myself. it's tough to juggle school, RL situations and CC.
so I want to help him out. free up his time so to speak.

Unvote, vote Redhedge

All in all its suspicious enough for me to say Unvote: Vote Count

Sorry my mistake. Jonty did not vote for Count.

[Iron Butterfly]

The above post is why I messed up.

[jonty125]

T>=2 is a rock solid fact jonty, we have 2 VTs dead.

The mod only generates 7 random numbers.

The moderator randomly chooses 7 numbers from 1-100, repeating permitted. Then, each number is turned into a letter as follows:

So it is perfectly possible that T=0, e.g. T=0, I=1, P=2, H=3, K=1, R=0. This gives 10 players non VT roles. We have had 2 non VTs flip, so that leaves us with a potential 11 non VT roles so T could = 0.

[betiko]

T>=2 is a rock solid fact jonty, we have 2 VTs dead.

The mod only generates 7 random numbers.

The moderator randomly chooses 7 numbers from 1-100, repeating permitted. Then, each number is turned into a letter as follows:

So it is perfectly possible that T=0, e.g. T=0, I=1, P=2, H=3, K=1, R=0. This gives 10 players non VT roles. We have had 2 non VTs flip, so that leaves us with a potential 11 non VT roles so T could = 0.

oops, you're right! so 7 randomized, means 6 non raondimized including 3/4 mafia/serial killer roles. and since we won't know if there are 3 or 4 mafia/serial killer roles, it's quite impossible to speculate... very good point!


trini; count belisle did post! at l-1 it's time for him to claim!

[trinicardinal]

you're right betiko... count did post - it seems I made the same mistake our mod did. Weekends are definitely not my best times for dealing with mafia games... too little time online. for the most part.


@ Count

in relation to where we go from here - Well its time for you to tell us who you are and what role you have... you are extremely close to a lynch and you need to claim.

Yes Its a tricky game... all we have to go on at this point in time is how a person has communicated/reacted and what they have said. Your reasons for placing what amounted to a lynching vote on redhedge are definitely not good enough and are cause for suspicion. Also your relative inactivity now is suspicious as well and while I'm at it (FOS on vodean for the same level (or lack thereof) of activity). In the meantime and unless convinced otherwise my vote stays on Count.

[thechuck51]

can you please recheck the vote count , I only have 3 votes.
to answer how I voted, well I couldn't pick between campin and redhedge, so I sincerely meant what I said when to redhedge about when it comes to school, so for as bad of a player as I 'm I actully roll a pair of dice to see who I was going to vote for, I thought it would be worst if I didn't vote. I was also asking if we were going to ask redhedge some questions too since he came close to lynching as campin did and he was pushed to claim. Man this is a tricky game you get into trouble if you keep your mouth shut, or if you do say something, so if I picked campin would everything be O.K.? or should have I voted without being a smartass like I did this time. So where do we go from here?

Count I think you need to claim. I'm prepared to hammer if you don't.

[Count Belisle]

I'm a Vanillia Townie. is that it, and my realitive inactiveness is due to some RL things. IB ask macbone one of my sitters. and I have photos of the brush fire that had fire dept make me leave my house today ( yea got to love Southern California if we aren't burning ,we are shaking or flooding )

Photos
http://s1257.photobucket.com/albums/ii520/CountBelisle/

News
http://www.kvta.com/news

[jonty125]

I've got no reason to not believe the claim. We have 8 days until deadline, so I think we need to push another case.

IB, you said my play was scummy in this post

Erm, where is Lord Voldemort's scene?? Anyhow, we definitely have mafia and SK, vig is a possibility. I'd bet that the guy who killed Campin was the SK and the guy who killed Lord Voldemort was the mafia. Vigs shouldn't be shooting N1, unless there has been a counterclaim.

I completely disagree.

If you are an SK the win condition will be to survive till the end. Why kill someone who is probable scum? The intelligent option would be to kill someone other then Campin as Campin was under the gun anyways. Towards the end I was very comfortable lynching Campin as he played like he had something to hide.

If I were a vig I would have no trouble targeting Campin night one. At the worst we lose a one shot tracker.

I do not understand fully the open format but I do believe there would be a very low probobility to have a SK, a Vig AND the Town protective role getting so lucky as to block a night one mafia kill.

Vote Jonty because I must AND I find your play scummy as well

but this post says nothing about me being scummy. I called it up here

vote IB ... and then for voting for me being scummy, without giving me anything to defend about being scummy, or what I've done.

but you haven't responded. So I'd like to know how my play is scummy.


Also, vio, vodean and samgrossy have only posted once today. I understand sam might be on vacation but as far I'm aware the other two don't have a reason to be inactive

[Count Belisle]

I have remove this

[jonty125]

I don't know if I'm suppose to post this here, but I was in The Underworld and Campin had posted in there today. We have lost campin today do to him being banned for being a multi. I don't know the whole story and I'm not going to speculate. Just I wish this didn't happen, he was a lot of fun in our user group, I don't know why people would have multi accounts ( I have 1 paid account and still can't keep up with all my games) he was a good player and I really liked playing in matches with him.

If I 'm not suppose to post this here just say so and I will delete it.

Campin is dead in this game. But put it in Mafia Discussions.

[trinicardinal]

I don't know if I'm suppose to post this here, but I was in The Underworld and Campin had posted in there today. We have lost campin today do to him being banned for being a multi. I don't know the whole story and I'm not going to speculate. Just I wish this didn't happen, he was a lot of fun in our user group, I don't know why people would have multi accounts ( I have 1 paid account and still can't keep up with all my games) he was a good player and I really liked playing in matches with him.

If I 'm not suppose to post this here just say so and I will delete it.

Campin is dead in this game. But put it in Mafia Discussions.

agreed about Campin - in the meantime I'm inclined to believe that Count has had rl issues which have hampered him. for now I'm going to take his claim at face value But He's not completely clear yet from me... Unvote

meanwhile vodean has also been relatively inactive and when he has posted has mostly posted one liners and he says in his last post that he's been reading but hasn't had anything to contribute but then basically complains that everyone else is just talking about math - by which I assume he means the speculation on the setup.

ive been reading along, but havent really had anything to contribute. everyone is just discussing math.

aside from Count, vodean was the other person on my scumdar so I'm going to go ahead and VOTE: vodean

[trinicardinal]

Count - I posted the infor in Mafia Discussion linking it to (and quoting) your post here. If you have any further info that you wish to add the post is here - viewtopic.php?f=609&t=177451&view=unread#unread

[betiko]

for me voting for count has nothing to do with inactivity issues, real life problems don't explain scumminess in posting and timings, my vote stays but I am willing to hear other cases. right now i think the IB and vodean cases are not interesting at all in my opinion...

[VioIet]

I've got no reason to not believe the claim. We have 8 days until deadline, so I think we need to push another case.

If Count Be-lisle turns out to be mafia, I know who to pursue next.

Also, vio, vodean and samgrossy have only posted once today. I understand sam might be on vacation but as far I'm aware the other two don't have a reason to be inactive

I haven't been inactive, as I have been checking the thread daily. I really didn't have a need to post again. I made my case and my vote is still on Count. No new posts or claims have changed my mind about that.

[jonty125]

I've got no reason to not believe the claim. We have 8 days until deadline, so I think we need to push another case.

If Count Be-lisle turns out to be mafia, I know who to pursue next.

Well what else would you propose for us to do with 8 days?? We need to get information in the day, so power roles don't shoot blind at night.

Also, vio, vodean and samgrossy have only posted once today. I understand sam might be on vacation but as far I'm aware the other two don't have a reason to be inactive

I haven't been inactive, as I have been checking the thread daily. I really didn't have a need to post again.

You may have been checking daily, but how can you prove it, unless you post daily?? And I thought activity was judged by posting?

[vodean]

does anyone else actually have another case? i feel like we could pressure vio, but only as a last resort, since i dont think that being inactive is very scummy, and have been inactive as well due to school starting