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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby Phatscotty on Sat Sep 22, 2012 6:09 pm

saxitoxin wrote:PRE 9-11 THINKING IN PIX


I don't think any people or group or country should ever forget the reasons they were attacked
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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby saxitoxin on Sat Sep 22, 2012 6:17 pm

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saxitoxin wrote:PRE 9-11 THINKING IN PIX


I don't think any people or group or country should ever forget the reasons they were attacked


I agree. If the U.S. Government remembered they were attacked because they put short-term gains over long-term interests (instead of letting the Red Army and Afghan government crush a cabal of nutcases - they armed said nutcases to allow them to survive and score a minor tactical victory over the USSR), they wouldn't have stopped Qaddafi from crushing the same cabal of nutcases and wouldn't, right now, be trying to stop Assad from doing the same.

But Brent Scowcroft and Mitt Romney and Barack Obama are all Ivy League educated. They're not stupid; they're aware of these facts. They just have a different, grander, loftier agenda than some middle-aged secretary on the 98th floor of the WTC who is just trying to get out of a burning building alive.
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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby Woodruff on Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:36 pm

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saxitoxin wrote:PRE 9-11 THINKING IN PIX


I don't think any people or group or country should ever forget the reasons they were attacked


I think more than half of our country is unwilling to accept the reasons why we were attacked, never mind having to remember them.
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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby fadedpsychosis on Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:39 pm

saxitoxin wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:PRE 9-11 THINKING IN PIX


I don't think any people or group or country should ever forget the reasons they were attacked


I agree. If the U.S. Government remembered they were attacked because they put short-term gains over long-term interests (instead of letting the Red Army and Afghan government crush a cabal of nutcases - they armed said nutcases to allow them to survive and score a minor tactical victory over the USSR), they wouldn't have stopped Qaddafi from crushing the same cabal of nutcases and wouldn't, right now, be trying to stop Assad from doing the same.

But Brent Scowcroft and Mitt Romney and Barack Obama are all Ivy League educated. They're not stupid; they're aware of these facts. They just have a different, grander, loftier agenda than some middle-aged secretary on the 98th floor of the WTC who is just trying to get out of a burning building alive.

in this one thing I agree with sax: it is a tragedy that our leadership flat out REFUSES to acknowledge the mistakes of the past and learn from them, but continues on in the same vein... they fall into the very definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results
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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby Phatscotty on Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:33 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:Links shows that "It took our Commander in Chief 10 days to figure out we were hit by a terrorist attack in Libya"'


the last 10 days.....

show


Also, Saxitoxin made a really good thread, and most of this has been documented in there, you should take a look, specifically the first few pages. Lots more information there


I guess I jumped the gun a little bit. Now it is officially official.


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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby 梦龙 on Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:26 am

it is obvious. US politicians are bought by weapons companies. these companies tell their politicians to start wars and provoke hostilities (afghanistan, libya, pacific nations and more). now the politicians make money for their masters in the arms company HQ.

the usa government are motherfuckers, but sure so is every other government. usa is not worse than anyone else to its own people.

the thing that is so lame about the US government is that it pretends to be moral and noble, policeman of the globe. at least the other dick suckers don't pretend to be anything other than corrupt fascists.
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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby 梦龙 on Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:29 am

like i said though, every government is the same. i don't mean to attack the US government specific, for it is almost no different to any other. the Party are dickswingers.
it is just good to debate these issues frankly, i hope i don't seem hostile.
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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby fadedpsychosis on Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:35 am

梦龙 wrote:the thing that is so lame about the US government is that it pretends to be moral and noble, policeman of the globe. at least the other dick suckers don't pretend to be anything other than corrupt fascists.

I'd argue with you on this point. no govt. out and out says they're assholes, whether they are or not. there's always some excuse (usually bullshit about it being for the greater good).
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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby BigBallinStalin on Thu Sep 27, 2012 8:29 am

His English has vastly improved!

很好啊!
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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby Timminz on Thu Sep 27, 2012 6:23 pm

Pre 9-11, the rest of the world thought America was great, and was a bit jealous. Post 9-11, the rest of the world hates America's freedom, just because they're jealous.
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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby Woodruff on Thu Sep 27, 2012 6:57 pm

Timminz wrote:Pre 9-11, the rest of the world thought America was great, and was a bit jealous. Post 9-11, the rest of the world hates America's freedom, just because they're jealous.


I don't think that's quite right...
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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby Phatscotty on Thu Sep 27, 2012 7:55 pm

Woodruff wrote:
Timminz wrote:Pre 9-11, the rest of the world thought America was great, and was a bit jealous. Post 9-11, the rest of the world hates America's freedom, just because they're jealous.


I don't think that's quite right...


I agree with Woodruff. Sadly however, I am certain that Timminz summation will be adopted by history and that is how the paragraph on 9-11 will look in future text books...

There are lots of other reasons for other things, such as globalization, the invention of the internet (all hail Bill Clinton!), a strong US dollar that accompanied US currency hegemony (made things work a lot smoother/less problems), as well as the first attack on the WTC (meaning 9-11 was just a follow up), as well as US troops on Saudi soil, treating the Middle East like a chess board, oil prices, and relative peace
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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby john9blue on Thu Sep 27, 2012 8:18 pm

Phatscotty wrote:the invention of the internet (all hail Bill Clinton!)


that was al gore! give the man credit where it is due!
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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby Woodruff on Thu Sep 27, 2012 9:28 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
Timminz wrote:Pre 9-11, the rest of the world thought America was great, and was a bit jealous. Post 9-11, the rest of the world hates America's freedom, just because they're jealous.


I don't think that's quite right...


I agree with Woodruff.


I'm quite certain that you don't, to be honest. Though you may well agree with the single statement that I made there. I could certainly be wrong, but I suspect that Timminz was actually mocking folks like you.
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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby 梦龙 on Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:39 pm

my english 很好? thank you (^.^)

but 啊? i think you need learn not to use google's translate >3<
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