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Phatscotty wrote:Been a lot of talk about how they are exactly the same vs. how they are extremely different.
Let's get to the Juan_Bottom of it!
Chariot of Fire wrote:As for GreecePwns.....yeah, what? A massive debt. Get a job you slacker.
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GreecePwns wrote:If this is a response to me, I would like to add a rule to this thread: when discussion similarities/differences, please refer only to policy positions, not their life growing up, not what others have attached to them, but concrete positions they have spoken in favor of/against and their voting records.
I challenge those who take the position that they are "different" to list 10 major policy differences between the two men.
Thank you.
Woodruff wrote:GreecePwns wrote:If this is a response to me, I would like to add a rule to this thread: when discussion similarities/differences, please refer only to policy positions, not their life growing up, not what others have attached to them, but concrete positions they have spoken in favor of/against and their voting records.
I challenge those who take the position that they are "different" to list 10 major policy differences between the two men.
Thank you.
thegreekdog already challenged him for five, if I remember right, and he couldn't do that.
tzor wrote:Romney and Obama are as different as the day is from the night; as the summer is from the winter; as an electron is from a positron. I mean they might seem alike; if you ignore the differences.
Now both will try to play the "poor me" card, but both Barry Sotero and Mitt Romney had well off fathers and that gave them both a good advantage. Obama, who basically fluffed off his high school year days and apparently (because his records are classified) got a pass through the elite schools of the rich and famous, took on the role of Community Organizer Politician while lining his pockets with the funds of corporate sleezebags and tennament landlords. Romney, on the other hand, took the corporate C.E.O. path and did the business thing.
Obama became president and basically said "I won you lost" and not only could not get the Republican's into the back of the bus, he could barely get his own party onboard with a clear solid double majority.
Romney became governor of one of the biggest Democratic Empires in the NE US and actally accomplished a thing or two.
So I would say that there is a big difference, but I would also ssay that when comparing Obama to most politicians, such as Clinton etc.
warmonger1981 wrote:Romney will secure more power for corporations X, Y, and Z, and obama will secure more power for corporations A, B, and C. Corporations, X, Y, Z, A, B, and C have hedged their bets by donating to both politicians, but each tends to favor one politician otver the other. Either way we all lose by voting for a mainstream politician.
warmonger1981 wrote:Ftfy ??? What that mean?
tzor wrote:If you want specifics on the differences ...
Regulations
Romney hates them as they bind up corporations; not just "large" corporations but small ones too. Small corporations are important because they drive up the economy which in turn provides more capital for large companies to acquire through their own transactions. (Strange but true rich people use more services than poor ones.)
Obama loves them as they are a means to cement his relationship with various special interest voting base. It also allows the creation of a strong central government to create and monitor these regulations. Since the federal government gets its revenue by force (taxes) it doesn't need a strong economy.
Taxes
Romney hates them even though his income is mostly through already taxed income and thus is mostly at the "corporate gains tax rate." (Mind you if it wasn't for the fact that the corporations that are providing him the coporate gains are being taxed with the highest corporate taxes in the world he would be making even more money than he is now and that his investment isn't adjusted for inflation so he could literally be making nothing - as making a rate of return equal to the rate of inflation is in fact making nothing - but being taxed anyway.)
Obama loves them because it fits in with his class warfare thing. Just tax the rich, or at least claim to; nevermind that Obamacare is a major tax on the middle class.
His people
Romney at one point in his carreer literally dropped everything, and went to New York City to organize a search and rescue operation for a child of one of his workers.
Obama, after finding out tht his ambasdor got raped, dragged through the streets and killed, went off to Vegas for a fundraiser.
saxitoxin wrote:I've highlighted the differences below.
Obamacare
Romney - Supports (implemented as GovMass)
Obama - Supports (implemented as POTUS)
NAFTA
Romney - Supports
Obama - Supports
Auto Industry Gov-Managed Bankruptcy
Romney - Supported
Obama - Supported
PATRIOT Act
Romney - Supports
Obama - Supports
Inflation Indexing of Minimum Wage
Romney - Supports
Obama - Supports
War Against Libya
Romney - Supported
Obama - Supported
TARP
Romney - Supported
Obama - Supported
Muslim Brotherhood
Romney - Supports
Obama - Supports
Gold Standard
Romney - opposes
Obama - opposes
Military Service
Romney - None
Obama - None
Wealth
Romney - millionaire
Obama - millionaire
Alma Mater
Romney - Harvard
Obama - Harvard
Skin Tone
Romney - White
Obama - Half-White
rdsrds2120 wrote:Phatscotty wrote:Been a lot of talk about how they are exactly the same vs. how they are extremely different.
Let's get to the Juan_Bottom of it!
What do you think, Scotty? I think they have their fair share of alikes and differences (middle).
BMO
tzor wrote:If you want specifics on the differences ...
Regulations
Romney hates them as they bind up corporations; not just "large" corporations but small ones too. Small corporations are important because they drive up the economy which in turn provides more capital for large companies to acquire through their own transactions. (Strange but true rich people use more services than poor ones.)
Obama loves them as they are a means to cement his relationship with various special interest voting base. It also allows the creation of a strong central government to create and monitor these regulations. Since the federal government gets its revenue by force (taxes) it doesn't need a strong economy.
Taxes
Romney hates them even though his income is mostly through already taxed income and thus is mostly at the "corporate gains tax rate." (Mind you if it wasn't for the fact that the corporations that are providing him the coporate gains are being taxed with the highest corporate taxes in the world he would be making even more money than he is now and that his investment isn't adjusted for inflation so he could literally be making nothing - as making a rate of return equal to the rate of inflation is in fact making nothing - but being taxed anyway.)
Obama loves them because it fits in with his class warfare thing. Just tax the rich, or at least claim to; nevermind that Obamacare is a major tax on the middle class.
His people
Romney at one point in his carreer literally dropped everything, and went to New York City to organize a search and rescue operation for a child of one of his workers.
Obama, after finding out tht his ambasdor got raped, dragged through the streets and killed, went off to Vegas for a fundraiser.
Phatscotty wrote:I already know Obama will not work with Congress, not even to pass a budget. Countries get downgraded when things like that happen
Woodruff wrote:Is it possible for you to be more blindly partisan? I mean, seriously...you've become a disgusting individual of late. You must really be panicked over the idiotic Republican nomination for President.
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