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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby thegreekdog on Fri Sep 21, 2012 4:59 pm

tzor wrote:
Woodruff wrote:That really was a pretty sad thing for Paul to do, not endorsing Gary Johnson. I was very disappointed by that.


A lot of libertarians seriously question Johnson's libertarian credentials.


Probably because he's a Republican. Ron Paul also happens to be a Republican.
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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby Phatscotty on Fri Sep 21, 2012 6:01 pm

Well, it's official now. It took our Commander in Chief 10 days to figure out we were hit by a terrorist attack in Libya, and he spent most of the time in those 10 days going on David Letterman, partying with Jay-z and Beyonce, hosting the WNBA champions (Minnesota Lynx 8-) ) hanging out in Vegas as well as attending 6 fundraisers, and all the while bitching at his opponent for being wrong..."the Middle East is on fire, but it's just a harmless protest over a video!!!!!"

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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby BigBallinStalin on Fri Sep 21, 2012 9:19 pm

Phatscotty wrote:Well, it's official now. It took our Commander in Chief 10 days to figure out we were hit by a terrorist attack in Libya, and he spent most of the time in those 10 days going on David Letterman, partying with Jay-z and Beyonce, hosting the WNBA champions (Minnesota Lynx 8-) ) hanging out in Vegas as well as attending 6 fundraisers, and all the while bitching at his opponent for being wrong..."the Middle East is on fire, but it's just a harmless protest over a video!!!!!"

Are we still asleep I asked? Aint no alarm clock that can wake up anything from this deep a slumber...


How about some links?

<looks at poster's name>

Hah, nevermind.
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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby Phatscotty on Fri Sep 21, 2012 9:26 pm

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Phatscotty wrote:Well, it's official now. It took our Commander in Chief 10 days to figure out we were hit by a terrorist attack in Libya, and he spent most of the time in those 10 days going on David Letterman, partying with Jay-z and Beyonce, hosting the WNBA champions (Minnesota Lynx 8-) ) hanging out in Vegas as well as attending 6 fundraisers, and all the while bitching at his opponent for being wrong..."the Middle East is on fire, but it's just a harmless protest over a video!!!!!"

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How about some links?


Links to what? The terrorist attack in Libya on September 11th? Or links that prove Obama was on Letterman? I would love nothing more than to provide links, but that is a lot of stuff the President has been very, VERY busy). Please state specifically which links you need more information about, and you shall receive with the most joyous of pleasures.
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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby BigBallinStalin on Fri Sep 21, 2012 9:31 pm

Links shows that "It took our Commander in Chief 10 days to figure out we were hit by a terrorist attack in Libya"

and then, why not provide support for 'since he was spending all this time doing other stuff, then [insert your relevant conclusion here].'
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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby Phatscotty on Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:21 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:Links shows that "It took our Commander in Chief 10 days to figure out we were hit by a terrorist attack in Libya"'


the last 10 days.....

show


Also, Saxitoxin made a really good thread, and most of this has been documented in there, you should take a look, specifically the first few pages. Lots more information there
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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby Woodruff on Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:24 pm

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Woodruff wrote:That really was a pretty sad thing for Paul to do, not endorsing Gary Johnson. I was very disappointed by that.


A lot of libertarians seriously question Johnson's libertarian credentials.


I've heard a bit of it, but I have not heard it being seriously bandied about that much. Which of his proposed policies are in question?
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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby BigBallinStalin on Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:26 pm

Hey, PS, thanks for the links. A question came to mind for anyone:

why would the Obama admin dilly-dally about this?
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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby saxitoxin on Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:00 am

PRE 9-11 THINKING IN PIX

9/11/01

"Idea! We should send guns, money and advanced training to Afghanistan insurgents."
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Breaking News: Afghanistan insurgents fly planes into WTC.
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"LOL! Woops! Our bad ... never forget, etc."
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9/11/12


"Idea! We should send guns, money and advanced training to Libyan insurgents."
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Breaking News: Libyan insurgents storm consulate, assassinate ambassador.
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"LOL! Woops! Our bad ... never forget, etc."
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9/11/20


"Idea! We should send guns, money and advanced training to Syrian insurgents."
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Breaking News: Syrian insurgents detonate nuke in LA.
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"LOL! Woops! Our bad ... never forget, etc."
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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby Phatscotty on Sat Sep 22, 2012 6:05 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:Hey, PS, thanks for the links. A question came to mind for anyone:

why would the Obama admin dilly-dally about this?


and right smack in the middle of thee most important campaign in his entire life.....
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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby Phatscotty on Sat Sep 22, 2012 6:09 pm

saxitoxin wrote:PRE 9-11 THINKING IN PIX


I don't think any people or group or country should ever forget the reasons they were attacked
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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby saxitoxin on Sat Sep 22, 2012 6:17 pm

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saxitoxin wrote:PRE 9-11 THINKING IN PIX


I don't think any people or group or country should ever forget the reasons they were attacked


I agree. If the U.S. Government remembered they were attacked because they put short-term gains over long-term interests (instead of letting the Red Army and Afghan government crush a cabal of nutcases - they armed said nutcases to allow them to survive and score a minor tactical victory over the USSR), they wouldn't have stopped Qaddafi from crushing the same cabal of nutcases and wouldn't, right now, be trying to stop Assad from doing the same.

But Brent Scowcroft and Mitt Romney and Barack Obama are all Ivy League educated. They're not stupid; they're aware of these facts. They just have a different, grander, loftier agenda than some middle-aged secretary on the 98th floor of the WTC who is just trying to get out of a burning building alive.
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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby Woodruff on Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:36 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:PRE 9-11 THINKING IN PIX


I don't think any people or group or country should ever forget the reasons they were attacked


I think more than half of our country is unwilling to accept the reasons why we were attacked, never mind having to remember them.
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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby fadedpsychosis on Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:39 pm

saxitoxin wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:PRE 9-11 THINKING IN PIX


I don't think any people or group or country should ever forget the reasons they were attacked


I agree. If the U.S. Government remembered they were attacked because they put short-term gains over long-term interests (instead of letting the Red Army and Afghan government crush a cabal of nutcases - they armed said nutcases to allow them to survive and score a minor tactical victory over the USSR), they wouldn't have stopped Qaddafi from crushing the same cabal of nutcases and wouldn't, right now, be trying to stop Assad from doing the same.

But Brent Scowcroft and Mitt Romney and Barack Obama are all Ivy League educated. They're not stupid; they're aware of these facts. They just have a different, grander, loftier agenda than some middle-aged secretary on the 98th floor of the WTC who is just trying to get out of a burning building alive.

in this one thing I agree with sax: it is a tragedy that our leadership flat out REFUSES to acknowledge the mistakes of the past and learn from them, but continues on in the same vein... they fall into the very definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results
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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby Phatscotty on Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:33 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:Links shows that "It took our Commander in Chief 10 days to figure out we were hit by a terrorist attack in Libya"'


the last 10 days.....

show


Also, Saxitoxin made a really good thread, and most of this has been documented in there, you should take a look, specifically the first few pages. Lots more information there


I guess I jumped the gun a little bit. Now it is officially official.


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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby 梦龙 on Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:26 am

it is obvious. US politicians are bought by weapons companies. these companies tell their politicians to start wars and provoke hostilities (afghanistan, libya, pacific nations and more). now the politicians make money for their masters in the arms company HQ.

the usa government are motherfuckers, but sure so is every other government. usa is not worse than anyone else to its own people.

the thing that is so lame about the US government is that it pretends to be moral and noble, policeman of the globe. at least the other dick suckers don't pretend to be anything other than corrupt fascists.
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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby 梦龙 on Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:29 am

like i said though, every government is the same. i don't mean to attack the US government specific, for it is almost no different to any other. the Party are dickswingers.
it is just good to debate these issues frankly, i hope i don't seem hostile.
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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby fadedpsychosis on Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:35 am

梦龙 wrote:the thing that is so lame about the US government is that it pretends to be moral and noble, policeman of the globe. at least the other dick suckers don't pretend to be anything other than corrupt fascists.

I'd argue with you on this point. no govt. out and out says they're assholes, whether they are or not. there's always some excuse (usually bullshit about it being for the greater good).
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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby BigBallinStalin on Thu Sep 27, 2012 8:29 am

His English has vastly improved!

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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby Timminz on Thu Sep 27, 2012 6:23 pm

Pre 9-11, the rest of the world thought America was great, and was a bit jealous. Post 9-11, the rest of the world hates America's freedom, just because they're jealous.
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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

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Timminz wrote:Pre 9-11, the rest of the world thought America was great, and was a bit jealous. Post 9-11, the rest of the world hates America's freedom, just because they're jealous.


I don't think that's quite right...
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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

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Timminz wrote:Pre 9-11, the rest of the world thought America was great, and was a bit jealous. Post 9-11, the rest of the world hates America's freedom, just because they're jealous.


I don't think that's quite right...


I agree with Woodruff. Sadly however, I am certain that Timminz summation will be adopted by history and that is how the paragraph on 9-11 will look in future text books...

There are lots of other reasons for other things, such as globalization, the invention of the internet (all hail Bill Clinton!), a strong US dollar that accompanied US currency hegemony (made things work a lot smoother/less problems), as well as the first attack on the WTC (meaning 9-11 was just a follow up), as well as US troops on Saudi soil, treating the Middle East like a chess board, oil prices, and relative peace
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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby john9blue on Thu Sep 27, 2012 8:18 pm

Phatscotty wrote:the invention of the internet (all hail Bill Clinton!)


that was al gore! give the man credit where it is due!
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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby Woodruff on Thu Sep 27, 2012 9:28 pm

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Timminz wrote:Pre 9-11, the rest of the world thought America was great, and was a bit jealous. Post 9-11, the rest of the world hates America's freedom, just because they're jealous.


I don't think that's quite right...


I agree with Woodruff.


I'm quite certain that you don't, to be honest. Though you may well agree with the single statement that I made there. I could certainly be wrong, but I suspect that Timminz was actually mocking folks like you.
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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby 梦龙 on Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:39 pm

my english 很好? thank you (^.^)

but 啊? i think you need learn not to use google's translate >3<
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