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New Baseball Rule: Outfield Fly Ball

Postby nietzsche on Fri Oct 05, 2012 7:41 pm

Unbelievable, what was that ump thinking..

Too bad Chipper ended his career with Atlanta fans littering the field.
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Re: New Baseball Rule: Outfield Fly Ball

Postby Night Strike on Fri Oct 05, 2012 7:44 pm

Agreed.

There is a poll on ESPN.com asking which call was worse: this one or the MNF one.
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Re: New Baseball Rule: Outfield Fly Ball

Postby nietzsche on Fri Oct 05, 2012 7:53 pm

And this call is winning, and on twitter known baseball figures are sharing their thoughts... I wonder if MLB will seriously consider Atlanta's protest.
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Re: New Baseball Rule: Outfield Fly Ball

Postby Night Strike on Fri Oct 05, 2012 7:56 pm

According to the Braves' manager, it's already been ruled against them. But I believe by rule they have to issue a written report before the outcome is official.

And I believe basically everyone, even Cardinals fans, know it was the wrong call. Cardinals fans are always said to be some of the best in baseball, so we recognize when there are bad calls.
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Re: New Baseball Rule: Outfield Fly Ball

Postby Woodruff on Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:40 pm

nietzsche wrote:Unbelievable, what was that ump thinking.


Yeah, that was an HORRIDLY missed call. And I say that as a lifelong Cardinals fan. Just no excuse at all for that call.

nietzsche wrote:Too bad Chipper ended his career with Atlanta fans littering the field.


It really did make the Braves fans look bad. Though I can understand their frustration with the situation, given it was a one-game playoff with the tying run at bat...but seriously, they gotta be classier than that.
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Re: New Baseball Rule: Outfield Fly Ball

Postby Woodruff on Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:40 pm

Night Strike wrote:Agreed.

There is a poll on ESPN.com asking which call was worse: this one or the MNF one.


To me, it was hands-down this one. I can see SOME "question" with the MNF one. I can't with this one.
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Re: New Baseball Rule: Outfield Fly Ball

Postby strike wolf on Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:48 pm

Horrible call but really why do we have a one game wild card playoff anyways. As far as the protest I've already heard that it has been denied but I wouldn't want it to be upheld anyways. redoing it isn't really fair to either team and there's going to be controversy over the game regardless of what any redo would accomplish.
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Re: New Baseball Rule: Outfield Fly Ball

Postby nietzsche on Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:13 pm

strike wolf wrote:Horrible call but really why do we have a one game wild card playoff anyways. As far as the protest I've already heard that it has been denied but I wouldn't want it to be upheld anyways. redoing it isn't really fair to either team and there's going to be controversy over the game regardless of what any redo would accomplish.


The Mexican soccer league has a system that allows 40% of the teams to participate in the league title, every 6 months. It was 50% of the teams a couple of years ago. That system fosters mediocrity, often you had teams that end the regular part of the season in 10th place, and 3 weeks later they were the champions. What happened? Lot of people stopped watched the games, including me. Mediocrity.

I've heard positive views on this new system, but I can't forget that what I love about MLB is that it that you really have every player in every team trying to do their best every game of the 162, because it does matter to be the best. I fear that mediocrity might happen to MLB now that 8 teams enter the playoffs. Remember that there used to be only 4.
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Re: New Baseball Rule: Outfield Fly Ball

Postby Woodruff on Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:16 pm

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strike wolf wrote:Horrible call but really why do we have a one game wild card playoff anyways. As far as the protest I've already heard that it has been denied but I wouldn't want it to be upheld anyways. redoing it isn't really fair to either team and there's going to be controversy over the game regardless of what any redo would accomplish.


The Mexican soccer league has a system that allows 40% of the teams to participate in the league title, every 6 months. It was 50% of the teams a couple of years ago. That system fosters mediocrity, often you had teams that end the regular part of the season in 10th place, and 3 weeks later they were the champions. What happened? Lot of people stopped watched the games, including me. Mediocrity.

I've heard positive views on this new system, but I can't forget that what I love about MLB is that it that you really have every player in every team trying to do their best every game of the 162, because it does matter to be the best. I fear that mediocrity might happen to MLB now that 8 teams enter the playoffs. Remember that there used to be only 4.


It seems to me that the old "champions only" system was the best. Unfortunately, that meant that sometimes, the playoffs were a foregone conclusion and people didn't watch or come to games late in the season, after things were decided. Well...we can't have missed profits, so to hell with competition.
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Re: New Baseball Rule: Outfield Fly Ball

Postby Sackett58 on Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:30 am

Kozma was no where near being camped under the ball. He was still trying to figure out if Holiday was going for it. There is something to be said about home field advantage as the fans were loud and I'm sure Kozma couldn't hear Holiday. And when Kozma moved forward that is when the ump made the signal. What was really sad to me thou was Chipper Jones last at bat. The way he ran down the base line giving up on the play. For all Pete Rose's faults he would of been hustling down the line if it was his last at bat of his career.
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Re: New Baseball Rule: Outfield Fly Ball

Postby strike wolf on Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:52 am

nietzsche wrote:
strike wolf wrote:Horrible call but really why do we have a one game wild card playoff anyways. As far as the protest I've already heard that it has been denied but I wouldn't want it to be upheld anyways. redoing it isn't really fair to either team and there's going to be controversy over the game regardless of what any redo would accomplish.


The Mexican soccer league has a system that allows 40% of the teams to participate in the league title, every 6 months. It was 50% of the teams a couple of years ago. That system fosters mediocrity, often you had teams that end the regular part of the season in 10th place, and 3 weeks later they were the champions. What happened? Lot of people stopped watched the games, including me. Mediocrity.

I've heard positive views on this new system, but I can't forget that what I love about MLB is that it that you really have every player in every team trying to do their best every game of the 162, because it does matter to be the best. I fear that mediocrity might happen to MLB now that 8 teams enter the playoffs. Remember that there used to be only 4.


I don't even care about the mediocrity part and I know this probably sounds like sour grapes coming from a Braves fan but it really does seem like a shame that in a sport where you play 162 games to prove you are ready for the playoffs (and where anything can happen), your whole season comes down to a single game. that and I don't really see what the advantage was to changing it. The old system worked in that you had 3 division winners and 1 wild card on each side. it was balanced and it worked.

As far as the call, the ump says the shortstop could make "ordinary effort to catch the ball" which is kind of BS. It was late calling for it to begin with.
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Re: New Baseball Rule: Outfield Fly Ball

Postby DoomYoshi on Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:23 am

The new system gives a bonus to the division leaders. Before wild cards and division leaders were treated the same. I agree with the new system, as long as it stays at one game. Any more will take up too much time on the tube.
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Re: New Baseball Rule: Outfield Fly Ball

Postby Woodruff on Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:58 am

DoomYoshi wrote:The new system gives a bonus to the division leaders.


By making them start their series on the road?
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Re: New Baseball Rule: Outfield Fly Ball

Postby Sackett58 on Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:07 pm

Woodruff wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:The new system gives a bonus to the division leaders.


By making them start their series on the road?


The new system is to keep the best pitcher on the wild card team from facing the division leader twice in a series. With a one game playoff the thinking is that the managers from the wild card teams will go with their best. This format the 2-3 instead of the 2-2-1 eliminates the extra travel day for the pitcher to possibly get in 2 starts on 3 days rest if there is a delay for weather. Probably helps cut down on travel costs too.
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Re: New Baseball Rule: Outfield Fly Ball

Postby Woodruff on Sat Oct 06, 2012 2:11 pm

Sackett58 wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:The new system gives a bonus to the division leaders.


By making them start their series on the road?


The new system is to keep the best pitcher on the wild card team from facing the division leader twice in a series. With a one game playoff the thinking is that the managers from the wild card teams will go with their best. This format the 2-3 instead of the 2-2-1 eliminates the extra travel day for the pitcher to possibly get in 2 starts on 3 days rest if there is a delay for weather. Probably helps cut down on travel costs too.


Ok, I understand that, but it still doesn't explain why the series starts on the road for the division winner. Keep the 2-3 format (though it would be 3-2) and all the rest, but the division winner should have earned the right to get the initial advantage of playing at home first. If the wildcard team can't win one of those three games (so they never get a chance to play at home), they should just thank their lucky stars they're even in the playoffs to begin with.
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