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Postby GoranZ on Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:45 am

NoSurvivors wrote:This organizers one of the brighter people I've met-- probably top 5-6 on this site (common sense wise at least) while you seem to be an angry person..

Ok but how many persons you have met? probably 5-6 :lol: And yes I'm angry when rules are broken regardless if someone is your friend or not ;)

NoSurvivors wrote:At least she can spell "break" correctly..

English is not native language to all CC users, there are users from other countries... on a bright side over 99.9% of English speakers understand me :P
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Re: Violet's Das Schloss Trips Tourney [16/16] FULL

Postby NoSurvivors on Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:50 pm

GoranZ wrote:Ok but how many persons you have met? probably 5-6 :lol: And yes I'm angry when rules are broken regardless if someone is your friend or not ;)


Lmfao 5-6 people.. Um, let's see.. Started a clan... Play mafia games.. Frequent live chat user.. Tourney organizer.. And I've met 5-6 people? Funny stuff bubb.. As for the rules being broken, what rule is being broken here? You say "bad teams being forced to the final"? What?! If you're good enough to win x amount of games and go to the final, it shouldn't matter who you beat to get there! The best team should win. I'm sorry to hurt your e-feelings but there's no medal for second place.. So calm down. The post thing.. You're gonna tell me that you're gonna whine to the mods for 6 days? You realize how rediculous that is right? Someone gets busy in their life and then you show up in the thread complainin about how busy the TO is? Cmon bubb.. Can't hold eone responsible for something they can't help. She also said itd be 3 games a week.. Perhaps there's the possibility that she didn't edit till all games were finished? Please, if you don't like a TO just don't join their tourneys.. You did say you joined a previous tourney of hers and she did the same thing.. So...? Still joined? Also, her being my friend has nothing to do with the fact that you're being a prick.. Just sayin..

GoranZ wrote:English is not native language to all CC users, there are users from other countries... on a bright side over 99.9% of English speakers understand me :P


Lol apologies for this one bubb.. But really, if you're gonna comment on someone's stupidity and spell a word wrong in the process.. Makes you look rather silly, no?

All in all, lighten up. She is not obliged to make tourneys, and you aren't obliged to join them.. So if you don't enjoy the ones run by a certain person, don't join and then make a splash in the thread.. (I know its rather hypocritical but only telling ya what's what.. I wouldn't have if you didn't first bubb..)

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Re: Violet's Das Schloss Trips Tourney [16/16] FULL

Postby GoranZ on Sun Oct 07, 2012 4:59 am

NoSurvivors wrote:As for the rules being broken, what rule is being broken here?

If you don't know the rules its not my problem :lol:
NoSurvivors wrote:If you're good enough to win x amount of games and go to the final, it shouldn't matter who you beat to get there! The best team should win.

As the tourney is set up the best team might not win but for you to understand that you need higher level of IQ, something that you do not have...

NoSurvivors wrote:I'm sorry to hurt your e-feelings but there's no medal for second place.. So calm down. The post thing.. You're gonna tell me that you're gonna whine to the mods for 6 days? You realize how rediculous that is right?

lol I have good fun in this tourney, regardless of how poorly the TO is organizing it. For example I get a chance to crush someone like you, even if you always play CC :lol:

NoSurvivors wrote:Someone gets busy in their life and then you show up in the thread complainin about how busy the TO is? Cmon bubb.. Can't hold eone responsible for something they can't help. She also said itd be 3 games a week..

I started 4 games few days ago, sometimes it will be 6 or more, and that is way more then 3, but as I said previously you need to have brain to figure out this.

NoSurvivors wrote:So...? Still joined? Also, her being my friend has nothing to do with the fact that you're being a prick.. Just sayin..
As I said previously I get a chance to crush someone like you :lol:

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Re: Violet's Das Schloss Trips Tourney [16/16] FULL

Postby TheCrown on Sun Oct 07, 2012 8:44 am

1. please stop the baiting you two.

2. GoranZ, what rules are being broken?
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Re: Violet's Das Schloss Trips Tourney [16/16] FULL

Postby GoranZ on Sun Oct 07, 2012 10:18 am

TheCrown wrote:2. GoranZ, what rules are being broken?


No posts from the host and no standings update for over a month = Inactive tournament.
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Re: Violet's Das Schloss Trips Tourney [16/16] FULL

Postby NoSurvivors on Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:02 pm

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NoSurvivors wrote:As for the rules being broken, what rule is being broken here?

If you don't know the rules its not my problem :lol:
NoSurvivors wrote:If you're good enough to win x amount of games and go to the final, it shouldn't matter who you beat to get there! The best team should win.

As the tourney is set up the best team might not win but for you to understand that you need higher level of IQ, something that you do not have...

NoSurvivors wrote:I'm sorry to hurt your e-feelings but there's no medal for second place.. So calm down. The post thing.. You're gonna tell me that you're gonna whine to the mods for 6 days? You realize how rediculous that is right?

lol I have good fun in this tourney, regardless of how poorly the TO is organizing it. For example I get a chance to crush someone like you, even if you always play CC :lol:

NoSurvivors wrote:Someone gets busy in their life and then you show up in the thread complainin about how busy the TO is? Cmon bubb.. Can't hold eone responsible for something they can't help. She also said itd be 3 games a week..

I started 4 games few days ago, sometimes it will be 6 or more, and that is way more then 3, but as I said previously you need to have brain to figure out this.

NoSurvivors wrote:So...? Still joined? Also, her being my friend has nothing to do with the fact that you're being a prick.. Just sayin..
As I said previously I get a chance to crush someone like you :lol:

P.S. No need to respond to your posts any more... we can all see how big is your sword on the battlefield, that is if you have a sword ;)


I've never had my IQ tested, but thanks for that diagnostic, doctor. Good to know I'm not smart enough to know each rule of tourney making. Also, its good to know you take this game too seriously and have a better rank than me. I have, for your info only, been to brgiadier also. So before you try to take a shit on my rank, think and do some research on who you're dealing with ;). You're a good player, but I can tell you that I would likely beat you and your big bad briggie team mates too! (Depending the map choice, of course :lol:).

Since we have swerved slightly off topic thanks to your "slashes" to my rank and intelligence, (I hope that boost your e-confidence, I'm here to help..), I would like to thank you for being a mod-wanna-be and poining out the rule :). What you could have done instead of bitching in the thread:

1) Walled or PM'd the TO asking politely why they hadn't posted in the thread.

2) PM'd a mod to do it for you and prod the TO.

You understand my point? You could have handled this so much better than how you did.

As for how you keep presisting that a bad team might win;

-if your team is the best, they should keep winning and beat all other teams
-bad teams might get a lucky draw and go far, but shouldn't beat a good team

Tu comprends?? Now, you need to let the MODS deal with it if they feel its worth it. I have had tourneys not post for over a month, but they're flexible. It seems to me like you'd just like to stir the pot :lol:. So let's let the mods strip the privis if they feel it to be nessisary, and if you'd like to boost your self esteem some more, rather than doing it here, do it in a PM or callouts, goofball..
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Postby TheCrown on Sun Oct 07, 2012 10:10 pm

GoranZ, I see no TO rules being broken. I have found the TO suggestions to running a tourney, but I don't think these are definite rules. Correct me if I am wrong, but I have never heard it as a "rule" being broken when you don't post on your own tourney thread every 30 days. I know some of my tourneys in the past I have sometimes never posted, only updated standings. No one has ever said anything to me.

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Re: Violet's Das Schloss Trips Tourney [16/16] FULL

Postby GoranZ on Mon Oct 08, 2012 1:18 am

TheCrown wrote:only updated standings

But this is enough, why would someone say you something?

Look at this way, Preliminaries are almost over for your team, for mine they recently started(all games at Round 3) and for others are about to start, do you deserve some info from the TO to where the things are? From your point of view next round is next corner but in reality it is 2 months from now... and you could be on Winter vacation after 2 months :lol:
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Re: Violet's Das Schloss Trips Tourney [16/16] FULL

Postby mviola on Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:48 am

To be fair, this tournament is being really poorly run. My team's invites were handed out over 3 weeks after everyone else's and then when the other team missed an invite, the games actually started to drop. And now, to make up for it, I have 6 Das Schloß games going at the same time.

If the TO is too busy to make sure the tournament is running properly, maybe the TO should not be running tourneys...

Also, NoSurvivors' attempt to gratify his CC existence is hilarious.
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Re: Violet's Das Schloss Trips Tourney [16/16] FULL

Postby NoSurvivors on Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:36 pm

mviola wrote:To be fair, this tournament is being really poorly run. My team's invites were handed out over 3 weeks after everyone else's and then when the other team missed an invite, the games actually started to drop. And now, to make up for it, I have 6 Das Schloß games going at the same time.

If the TO is too busy to make sure the tournament is running properly, maybe the TO should not be running tourneys...

Also, NoSurvivors' attempt to gratify his CC existence is hilarious.


Lol.. Never said I was a celeb bubb.. But I certainly know more than 5-6 people.. Maybe seven or eight? ;).

And this tourney is being run exactly how it was said be run. If you didn't read it and just joined, that's on you, isn't it?
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Postby VioIet on Wed Oct 10, 2012 11:35 am

mviola wrote:To be fair, this tournament is being really poorly run. My team's invites were handed out over 3 weeks after everyone else's and then when the other team missed an invite, the games actually started to drop. And now, to make up for it, I have 6 Das Schloß games going at the same time.

If the TO is too busy to make sure the tournament is running properly, maybe the TO should not be running tourneys...

Also, NoSurvivors' attempt to gratify his CC existence is hilarious.


Mviola, of course you are going to have 6 DS games going at the same time. That is perfectly normal, and I am not sure why you thought otherwise. I was pretty certain everyone would realize by week 3 of their invites- they would have 9 DS games going at the same time.

Let me break it down:

You have 9 DS games that you are going to play in Round 1. 3 invites are sent in one week. 3 more invites are sent the following week. Then the final 3 invites are sent the week after that. Meaning- you get 9 invites in a period of three weeks. Instead of sending you all 9 invites at a time- I divide it evenly into three weeks.

Also, you do realize that an average DS game takes over 20 rounds to end. And with this being a trips tourney, you will most likely only be into Round 4 or 5, by the time you get your second batch of invites. Now you have six games going. And the first three games are not going to be done by the time you get your last three invites. That's the nature of DS- the games last long. So yes, by week 3- you are going to have 9 games going at once.

Every team has/had about 9 games going at once, not just your team. That is the way the tourney works. I thought that was pretty clear from the rules I posted. If you actually have less than 9 games going after three weeks from receiving your first set of invites- either one game finished really early, or invites were not accepted in one or more games and they were deleted. In that case, you will have to wait a few weeks for those games to be re-made.

If you have a question, or if you are confused about something- feel free to ask. But you suggest that the tourney is run poorly, when in actuality, you have misunderstood how the invite works. I'm not sure how you thought things were going to go in your mind- but I have run the tourney exactly the way I stated in the rules.


Also, is it not in my control if a player doesn't accept their invites. Once I sent them out- I have done my part. So yes, when that happens, the two teams will have to either wait longer for the games to be re-made- or you will end up getting less than 3 games started one week, and over 3 games being started the following week. Yes, it would be nice if everyone all accepted their invites at the same time, so the games could all start when they were supposed to. It would save me a lot of work, and it would make things seem smoother. However, this happens in the tourney world at times, so I understand. People may be busy, may have forgotten to accept, may of had an account sitter at the time, etc, etc ,etc. As a TO, I try to be flexible and understanding when something out of the ordinary happens, and the tourney participants will have to bear with it as well. It seems that you and Goranz are angry about things out of my control.

If you didn't want more than three games at once, then honestly, you shouldn't have joined this tourney. That is just not how things work. If every team were to only have three games at once- this tourney could easily take two years to complete. I think you misunderstood 3 invites at once to mean- only 3 games as once. Goranz seemed to have the same misconception.
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Re: Violet's Das Schloss Trips Tourney [16/16] FULL

Postby mviola on Wed Oct 10, 2012 5:51 pm

VioIet wrote:
mviola wrote:To be fair, this tournament is being really poorly run. My team's invites were handed out over 3 weeks after everyone else's and then when the other team missed an invite, the games actually started to drop. And now, to make up for it, I have 6 Das Schloß games going at the same time.

If the TO is too busy to make sure the tournament is running properly, maybe the TO should not be running tourneys...

Also, NoSurvivors' attempt to gratify his CC existence is hilarious.


Mviola, of course you are going to have 6 DS games going at the same time. That is perfectly normal, and I am not sure why you thought otherwise. I was pretty certain everyone would realize by week 3 of their invites- they would have 9 DS games going at the same time.

Let me break it down:

You have 9 DS games that you are going to play in Round 1. 3 invites are sent in one week. 3 more invites are sent the following week. Then the final 3 invites are sent the week after that. Meaning- you get 9 invites in a period of three weeks. Instead of sending you all 9 invites at a time- I divide it evenly into three weeks.

Also, you do realize that an average DS game takes over 20 rounds to end. And with this being a trips tourney, you will most likely only be into Round 4 or 5, by the time you get your second batch of invites. Now you have six games going. And the first three games are not going to be done by the time you get your last three invites. That's the nature of DS- the games last long. So yes, by week 3- you are going to have 9 games going at once.

Every team has/had about 9 games going at once, not just your team. That is the way the tourney works. I thought that was pretty clear from the rules I posted. If you actually have less than 9 games going after three weeks from receiving your first set of invites- either one game finished really early, or invites were not accepted in one or more games and they were deleted. In that case, you will have to wait a few weeks for those games to be re-made.

If you have a question, or if you are confused about something- feel free to ask. But you suggest that the tourney is run poorly, when in actuality, you have misunderstood how the invite works. I'm not sure how you thought things were going to go in your mind- but I have run the tourney exactly the way I stated in the rules.


Also, is it not in my control if a player doesn't accept their invites. Once I sent them out- I have done my part. So yes, when that happens, the two teams will have to either wait longer for the games to be re-made- or you will end up getting less than 3 games started one week, and over 3 games being started the following week. Yes, it would be nice if everyone all accepted their invites at the same time, so the games could all start when they were supposed to. It would save me a lot of work, and it would make things seem smoother. However, this happens in the tourney world at times, so I understand. People may be busy, may have forgotten to accept, may of had an account sitter at the time, etc, etc ,etc. As a TO, I try to be flexible and understanding when something out of the ordinary happens, and the tourney participants will have to bear with it as well. It seems that you and Goranz are angry about things out of my control.

If you didn't want more than three games at once, then honestly, you shouldn't have joined this tourney. That is just not how things work. If every team were to only have three games at once- this tourney could easily take two years to complete. I think you misunderstood 3 invites at once to mean- only 3 games as once. Goranz seemed to have the same misconception.

Six games in round one at the same time? I don't think that was a part of the blueprint...

Also, I don't think you've checked the status of the games since you've sent them out, which is why I'm calling you out on being a terrible TO. You had three games from week one time out with my team because you failed to reinvite someone on the other team. You then only for some reason made and sent invites for 2 games against Hook2's team. And Goran either missed an invite or is protesting something here in yet another game of mine. So out of the 6 games, only 2/3 for me are running.

Maybe checking the status of the tourney every month and a half isn't enough?

I'm never joining another of your tourneys again to say the least...
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Re: Violet's Das Schloss Trips Tourney [16/16] FULL

Postby VioIet on Thu Oct 11, 2012 1:16 am

mviola wrote:Six games in round one at the same time? I don't think that was a part of the blueprint...


Hmm, I actually already explained to you that it was. Round 1 has 9 games. It is in the rules. I will re-quote my explanation.

Let me break it down:

You have 9 DS games that you are going to play in Round 1. 3 invites are sent in one week. 3 more invites are sent the following week. Then the final 3 invites are sent the week after that. Meaning- you get 9 invites in a period of three weeks. Instead of sending you all 9 invites at a time- I divide it evenly into three weeks.

Also, you do realize that an average DS game takes over 20 rounds to end. And with this being a trips tourney, you will most likely only be into Round 4 or 5, by the time you get your second batch of invites. Now you have six games going. And the first three games are not going to be done by the time you get your last three invites. That's the nature of DS- the games last long. So yes, by week 3- you are going to have 9 games going at once.



mviola wrote:Also, I don't think you've checked the status of the games since you've sent them out, which is why I'm calling you out on being a terrible TO. You had three games from week one time out with my team because you failed to re-invite someone on the other team.


Again, it is out of my control if someone misses their invite. I typically do not re-invite. It is quite annoying, especially after sending the invite out the first time. It is easier for me to re-make those games later after all the other round 1 games have been made. If someone politely asks me to re-invite them to their game, then I will as a courtesy. Typically, I do not.


mviola wrote:You then only for some reason made and sent invites for 2 games against Hook2's team.


I'm not sure what you are talking about here, because I made three games. One was deleted due to Goranz not accepting his invite.


mviola wrote:And Goran either missed an invite or is protesting something here in yet another game of mine. So out of the 6 games, only 2/3 for me are running.


Goranz missed his invite.


mviola wrote:Maybe checking the status of the tourney every month and a half isn't enough?


I check the tournament weekly.


mviola wrote:I'm never joining another of your tourneys again to say the least...


That is fine. This tournament is supposed to be fun. If it is not fun for you, then I wouldn't want you to enter.

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TheCrown wrote:only updated standings

But this is enough, why would someone say you something?

Look at this way, Preliminaries are almost over for your team, for mine they recently started(all games at Round 3) and for others are about to start, do you deserve some info from the TO to where the things are? From your point of view next round is next corner but in reality it is 2 months from now... and you could be on Winter vacation after 2 months :lol:


There are no standings posted yet because Round 1 is not yet finished. I can't post standings when there are none.

While I do understand your point Goranz, I see things a bit differently. It has never really bothered me before when a round starts/ends in a tourney I have joined. I figure it will start when it starts. I join tournaments purely for fun. Just not a big deal to me and I think I just have a more laid-back approach to it than you do. Also in tourney's I join, I often check game-finder more so than the thread to see how the games are progressing along, if I'm curious.

I have been in tourneys that have lasted over a year, and there are five months in between rounds, and its just not a big deal to me. I've also been in tourney's that have been as short as two weeks- and the rounds take place within days of each other. It just depends of the format/setup. Each tourney is different. And yes, my tournaments are more drawn-out. Not purposely- but that is just the nature of it.

Just as in the last tourney, I will announce when its time for tie-breakers and when it's time for a new round to start. I was sure that most understood that round one would take a few months- given the amount of games required.

But I am just confused how some of you really expect that I would have made 70+ games at the same time, and that all games would have ended around the same time. That would have been an impossible workload, and would've required all 9 games to be sent at once. I'm sorry, but this tourney wasn't meant to be run like that, and I actually feel that would have been unrealistic.

At this point, I don't really think it matters what I say. I have explained things the best I can. I respect that you don't feel I've run this tourney well. But from my point of view, I have done everything the way I planned to, and said that I would. Now, if you think that there could have been a better plan or setup- then that is a different point entirely. But this tourney has been run exactly how the rules state that it would have.

If there continues to be bickering, then I think it would be best for a TD to mediate.
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Re: Violet's Das Schloss Trips Tourney [16/16] FULL

Postby GoranZ on Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:24 am

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mviola wrote:You then only for some reason made and sent invites for 2 games against Hook2's team.


I'm not sure what you are talking about here, because I made three games. One was deleted due to Goranz not accepting his invite.

Are you sure? For your information I was in the game until it was deleted. So you missed to invite someone else, not me ;) And before You accuse someone you should at least double check so you wont accuse wrong.

VioIet wrote:There are no standings posted yet because Round 1 is not yet finished. I can't post standings when there are none.

The moment when 1 game finishes, there are standings, and few games are already finished.

VioIet wrote:Just not a big deal to me and I think I just have a more laid-back approach to it than you do.

How do you know if I have less laid-back approach then you? Are you a mind reader? :lol:

VioIet wrote:I have been in tourneys that have lasted over a year...

When was this? Years ago. Once again if you don't know the current rules read them, if you need help ask for it.

VioIet wrote:If there continues to be bickering, then I think it would be best for a TD to mediate.

sure not a problem... if you continue to run the tourney as you are then this is the best thing but I doubt it will change something.
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Re: Violet's Das Schloss Trips Tourney [16/16] FULL

Postby VioIet on Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:19 pm

mviola wrote:You then only for some reason made and sent invites for 2 games against Hook2's team.


VioIet wrote:
I'm not sure what you are talking about here, because I made three games. One was deleted due to Goranz not accepting his invite.



GoranZ wrote:Are you sure? For your information I was in the game until it was deleted. So you missed to invite someone else, not me ;) And before You accuse someone you should at least double check so you wont accuse wrong.


That is strange because I just re-sent you the invite last night. Everyone was in the game except you. And I already stated that this was a courtesy, as I normally do not re-invite. I will let the games delete. Also, Mviola stated that I only made and sent invites for two games. I made and sent invites for all three games.


VioIet wrote:There are no standings posted yet because Round 1 is not yet finished. I can't post standings when there are none.



GoranZ wrote:The moment when 1 game finishes, there are standings, and few games are already finished.


This is actually not true in my tourney. One game finishing means absolutely nothing. You don't have standings until all the games have finished in one group. Standings in this tourney means- who advances to the next round, and who doesn't.

VioIet wrote:Just not a big deal to me and I think I just have a more laid-back approach to it than you do.


GoranZ wrote:How do you know if I have less laid-back approach then you? Are you a mind reader? :lol:


I don't have to be a mind- reader. I am basing this thought from how you are responding to me in this thread. You were annoyed that there were no updates (even though I had been actually constantly editing my update post on page 2) in 30 days. You also seemed to be annoyed that Round 1 is going to last for months. None of these things would bother me- which is why I say I have a more laid-back approach. I understand that it is the nature of the tourney.

VioIet wrote:I have been in tourneys that have lasted over a year...


GoranZ wrote:When was this? Years ago. Once again if you don't know the current rules read them, if you need help ask for it.


It has nothing to do with the current rules. The length of a tourney often depends on the amount of games, amount of players, amount of rounds, etc. For instance- The Winner Stay On tournament that I am in has been on-going for over a year. This has nothing to do with the rules.

VioIet wrote:If there continues to be bickering, then I think it would be best for a TD to mediate.


GoranZ wrote:sure not a problem... if you continue to run the tourney as you are then this is the best thing but I doubt it will change something.


Well, I don't think I've done anything wrong or against the rules; however, you do. I can see us continually going back and forth and not seeing eye-to-eye on things. I also doubt that it will change anything, but it may give you more peace of mind to hear an official opinion.
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