Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - Endgame

[Hensow]

what happen to the dead line I leaving for the weekend but since I don't expect greg to improve his defense I'm going to leave my vote as is.

[gregwolf121]

what was lacking

[jak111]

i have to agree. this doesnt add up. a maybe angel maybe demon who didnt use his supposed action, and was acting scummy? we also really could use the info, so jak, i'll come back to you tomorrow. unvote vote greg. by my count that puts him at L-3

Recheck, he is now at L1

[edocsil]

That's Deadline. Lynch.

I want to make a slight disclaimer before the scene, my background is Roman Catholic. There may be large variances between what I know, and what is taught in say, a Jewish center of learning.

Anyhow, the scene.


Saraqael watched from on high as the world turned beneath him. So far the war was at stand-still, which he supposed was a good thing. He hated for people to die needlessly, and there was no need to rush to hasty conclusions. As he pondered he failed to notice the growing mob behind him. They quickly grew the courage to confront him. Saraqael turned and spread his wings, but he could not dissuade the crowd. They called him a liar, a heretic, demon and rushed him, beating him to a pulp.

Saraqael's blood covering their hands the mob soon realized their error. They had slain an Archangel. With mute fear they waited as night fell, waiting for the terrors of the night to claim them.

Gregwolf ~ Saraqael Archangel ~ Universal Mason has been killed.

It is now N2, 3 days for all actions.

[edocsil]

Blake replaces shaggy.

[blakebowling]

Confirm. I'll post my thoughts once I get a chance to read up. It might not be until Monday though.

[samgrossy]

zzzz... zzzzz... zzzzz...

[edocsil]

.... I am STILL getting/missing night actions. Scene will be at 12:00 tomorrow, regardless of missing actions.

[edocsil]

For various reasons a final VC from yesterday was requested.

Jak (5) ~ shaggy, pcm, cm5, Sam, gregwolf
Vodean (1) ~ lsu
Iliad (2) ~ /, Fifth
gregwolf (12) ~ Saf, jonty, soundman, violet, aage, JG, Nag, DRoZ jak, ???, Strike, Vodean

With the evening's death weighing on them the forces of Yahweh hid in fear of the night, and rightly so. Tonight death roamed the earth.

Two killers faced each other one was Uriel, a holy Archangel sworn to burn out the evils corrupting the land. The other was Mammon. Mammon, the devil of corruption and greed hefted a gem crusted spear and hurled it at his advisory. Seeing the spear fly Uriel drew up his hands to burn the spear and Mammon from the face of the earth. Before he could fully raise his hands something lashed out from the dark and bound his hands to his side. With a cry of rage Uriel could do nothing as the spear hurtled in and struck him in the chest. And so another angel fell and darkness advanced. What had the angels gained this night? Was there anything to offset their losses? Anything that would help them find their foes?

Lsu Tiger Josh ~ Uriel Archangel ~ Vigilante has been killed!

Day 3 has begun, there will be 14 days until deadline.

[jonty125]

Seems vig, targeted mafia and mafia won the coin toss.

Mammon is another term for wealth or greed in the New Testament and is sometimes seen as one of the seven princes of hell in Catholicism.

[aage]

Actually, when I read it I was reminded of Constantine, in which Mammon was the son of the devil but not on his team. It would certainly be interesting if there were to be two mafia teams. The scene clearly mentions greed and corruption though, so I'll ignore it for now.
It also seems that there was some kind of block used on Lsu.

I also hope we have a large supply of Arch angels because at this rate we'll be running low quite quickly.

First things first. Iliad, your vote please?

[jak111]

Whelp.. my vote steal was a fail :/ targeted a person who is in the official game not here XDDD (I wouldn't mind cross gaming and taking his vote ;o)

From the scene there are TWO possibilities.

1.) LSU was roleblocked as they targeted each other, so if it was a town role blocker SHAME ON YOU.. lol.
2.) His vig action works like Epic Mafia and since he was killed the scene was a filler of it not getting through, although there is no promise he targeted the guy who shot him (Could be just a filler) but if a tracker/watcher has LSU going somewhere or visiting someone it might be worth a check in on that person.

Although, if anyone is good at reading who he had suspicion on from yesterday, it may be good to check down that path since that may be the person he tried shooting.

1 kill... a single kill.. I think this either confirms we have good protection roles or there is no SK in the game. Which would mean that we need to definitely be thinking about a cult.. especially with a "darkness growing"

[blakebowling]

If the scene is more accurate than just flavor, it appears that a third party "bound his hands to his side", so that would indicate that he not only got killed, but was also roleblocked (I would assume if it's two seperate people that they are not aligned with each other).

[chapcrap]

Trying to think whether or not I want to share information that I have. It may be better to wait.

Tell me, what does everyone consider good odds for us to kill people? If we have two people and 1 is for sure town and one is anti-town, would agreeing to kill both be agreeable? I think it should be. What about if it's 3 people and 1 is anti-town and 2 are town? What percentages would you think are worth it?

[samgrossy]

First, I think the scene is pretty clear cut that LSU was roleblocked and that is it. Whether it was town or scum, I don't think we can easily jump to the conclusion that Jak makes to say "shame on you" if a town roleblocker blocked LSU. We just don't have enought information to know who is what role and my guess is that someone (even if it was mafia) may have blindly picked LSU to roleblock, not knowing what he would flip.

That said, we need to start somewhere. So does anyone have any night actions that the want to share that may help us determine scum? We just don't have a ton of info yet and its way easier to develop a case if we can lynch a scum so we can look at voting patterns and deflections.

Also, I can't support Jaks claim that the advnacing darkness means cult. I think it just means that mafia has made another kill and is cloer to achievign thier win condition. It has nothing to do with cult. I am not saying that there isn't a cult, but this doesn't say there is a cult.

Lastly, I think I am going to ease off my case on Jak. Its obvious that the town didn't necessarily support my case on him, so I am going to go back and re-read and try to see who is scummy. And see if another case comes. But, mark my words, if there is not another convincing case, presented within 4 to 5 days of deadline, I will jump back on my Jak case to try and get a lynch. I just believe he is scummy.

FP'd by chap.