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Re: Hank Meets the Wet Nurse, Shrugs...

Postby Phatscotty on Sat Oct 06, 2012 12:33 am

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nietzsche wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
Well, thank you for not letting me get away with sharing the results of a survey taken by the Library of Congress.
Thank you for sharing the irrelevant information about my personal finances. It makes me very glad I tried to help when you asked me for help.

#1) Have you read Atlas Shrugged?
#2) What you are basing your opinion of the influence of Atlas Shrugged on?
#3) Why would you take screen shots of my chatter when I was just trying to help you? :-s


Well, thank you for not letting me get away with sharing the results of a survey taken by the Library of Congress.
Haven't I stated here well enough what my point is?

I bet the survey results truthfully account for the scope it was designed. It says a lot about certain people, most likely Americans in the ages from 20 to 60.

Thank you for sharing the irrelevant information about my personal finances. It makes me very glad I tried to help when you asked me for help.
When did I ask you for help and in what? It's relevant because it shows how brainwashed you are, it's not your personal finances I was particularly interested to share, it's all the combination of the shit you told me in those days. It shows that either you are a mental case or that you lie all the time.

#1) Have you read Atlas Shrugged?
No, I admit I was interested once but on knowing it was like 1500 pages I decided not to

#2) What you are basing your opinion of the influence of Atlas Shrugged on?
I'm just making an educated guess. A book written in 19xx cannot have influenced a majority of people in the western world.

#3) Why would you take screen shots of my chatter when I was just trying to help you?
Again, from where do you take you were trying to help you? (Of course, this is you trying to get some public points, in the next posts you will unfold another lie)

To be honest, I was so taken aback from some of your messages that I had to show them to AoG.


You do know what brainwashed means, right? You keep calling me brainwashed....just wondering if you are aware that you are the one making all kinds of assumptions, stating all kinds of facts, dismissing all kinds of surveys....all without not having a single bit of information to base it on.......

That, my dear friend, is the definition of brainwashed

Thanks for playing
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Re: Hank Meets the Wet Nurse, Shrugs...

Postby nietzsche on Sat Oct 06, 2012 12:33 am

Phatscotty wrote:you dont believe the survey.....based on what? How do you "for sure know" what Atlas Shrugged is or isn't?

how can it be my lie? Wouldn't it be the library of Congress's?

Do you still think I took the survey myself? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


??????


In previous posts I have said that I bet the survey does good service to its scope.

I'm using large letters now because I think it's now your purpose to misinterpret and misquote me in order to confuse and change what my point is.

You are not going to win this one. ;)
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Re: Hank Meets the Wet Nurse, Shrugs...

Postby Phatscotty on Sat Oct 06, 2012 12:39 am

Just f*ck off. I am extremely disappointed that after all the time I took to answer your questions, you just throw it in my face like this and tie it into your troll moves.
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Re: Hank Meets the Wet Nurse, Shrugs...

Postby nietzsche on Sat Oct 06, 2012 12:42 am

Phatscotty wrote:
nietzsche wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
Well, thank you for not letting me get away with sharing the results of a survey taken by the Library of Congress.
Thank you for sharing the irrelevant information about my personal finances. It makes me very glad I tried to help when you asked me for help.

#1) Have you read Atlas Shrugged?
#2) What you are basing your opinion of the influence of Atlas Shrugged on?
#3) Why would you take screen shots of my chatter when I was just trying to help you? :-s


Well, thank you for not letting me get away with sharing the results of a survey taken by the Library of Congress.
Haven't I stated here well enough what my point is?

I bet the survey results truthfully account for the scope it was designed. It says a lot about certain people, most likely Americans in the ages from 20 to 60.

Thank you for sharing the irrelevant information about my personal finances. It makes me very glad I tried to help when you asked me for help.
When did I ask you for help and in what? It's relevant because it shows how brainwashed you are, it's not your personal finances I was particularly interested to share, it's all the combination of the shit you told me in those days. It shows that either you are a mental case or that you lie all the time.

#1) Have you read Atlas Shrugged?
No, I admit I was interested once but on knowing it was like 1500 pages I decided not to

#2) What you are basing your opinion of the influence of Atlas Shrugged on?
I'm just making an educated guess. A book written in 19xx cannot have influenced a majority of people in the western world.

#3) Why would you take screen shots of my chatter when I was just trying to help you?
Again, from where do you take you were trying to help you? (Of course, this is you trying to get some public points, in the next posts you will unfold another lie)

To be honest, I was so taken aback from some of your messages that I had to show them to AoG.


You do know what brainwashed means, right? You keep calling me brainwashed....just wondering if you are aware that you are the one making all kinds of assumptions, stating all kinds of facts, dismissing all kinds of surveys....all without not having a single bit of information to base it on.......

That, my dear friend, is the definition of brainwashed

Thanks for playing



dismissing all kinds of surveys

In previous posts I have said that I bet the survey does good service to its scope.
I'm using large letters now because I think it's now your purpose to misinterpret and misquote me in order to confuse and change what my point is.

I call you brainwashed because a lot of what you were saying to me in those private messages were almost copy paste of get-rich-quick books (yes, sadly I've read a few of them myself).

I also told you already in what I base my assumption that Atlas Shrugged is not the second most influential western book: the western world is normally considered, specially when it comes to books and written records, to be from 1000 B.D. (I don't recall exactly) to this day. The distinction is made because of the differences in culture and books and all that form the eastern traditions. I truly believe that a book written in the 20th century hasn't had the time to influence the world as much as some other books, much more important in content, have.
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Re: Hank Meets the Wet Nurse, Shrugs...

Postby nietzsche on Sat Oct 06, 2012 12:43 am

Phatscotty wrote:Just f*ck off. I am extremely disappointed that after all the time I took to answer your questions, you just throw it in my face like this and tie it into your troll moves.


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Re: Atlas Shrugged II - Opens This Weekend

Postby Phatscotty on Wed Oct 10, 2012 11:43 am

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Jonathan Hoenig on Atlas Shrugged Part II

"Do you have the moral right to your own life, or don't you?"






Savage explores the influence of the novel, wonders why so many people say the book changed their life
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Re: Atlas Shrugged II - Opens This Weekend

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Oct 14, 2012 12:49 pm

Fine day for a movie, ehhhhh?

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Re: Atlas Shrugged II - Opens This Weekend

Postby Symmetry on Sun Oct 14, 2012 1:03 pm

Atlas Shrugged Part 2-The Strike, rated F

Dagny Taggart’s long journey back to The Shire continues, over the will of the free market, in Atlas Shrugged: Part II—The Strike, the middle installment of an epic six-hour temper tantrum based on Ayn Rand’s Objectivist novel. Picking up right where the last one left off—albeit with a new cast, a new director, and perhaps a little more fiscal discipline in the production budget— Part II hits the current political scene in stride, incorporating the Occupy Wall Street protests into its dystopian vision of makers and takers, the 1 percent who innovate and the 99 percent who sponge off the profits. As with Part I, Rand’s polemics translate awkwardly to drama, making robots out of another corral of veteran character actors. But the specific problem with Part II is that a second act of huffery and puffery don’t get it anywhere: After the cliffhanger of one major industrialist “going Galt,” it offers another two hours of major industrialists going Galt. Those who want to see what these geniuses do will have to wait until Part III. And until then, there’s a wedding-reception toast about the value of money to tide them over.

Proving the theorem from Todd Solondz’s Palindromes that different actors can play the same role without losing much continuity, Samantha Mathis plays Dagny with all the lifelessness Taylor Schilling brought to the original role. In Part I, Dagny revived the Taggart railway company—and her slumbering libido—by getting into business with Henry Reardon (now played by Jason Beghe), a steel-company magnate who laid down magic track across Taggart Tunnel, euphemistically speaking. But with gas prices spiking to $40 per gallon, unemployment on the rise, and global economic collapse imminent, the liberal government, with its Fair Share measures, wants a big piece of both businesses. While other geniuses drop out of society—leaving the cryptic note, “Who Is John Galt?”—Dagny and Henry continue to try to keep their businesses alive and serve the stupidheads who patronize them.

Part II introduces another piece of world-changing magic: a mysterious machine that can harness power from static electricity in the air, thus buffeting Atlas Shrugged’s capitalist utopia of mass transit and alternative energy sources. There’s also some scary business about an emergency government plan to force people to stay employed, shut down the patent office, and sign all inventions over to Big Brother. Atlas Shrugged is premised on the idea that the world only has a few true geniuses—great industrialists, inventors, musicians, and artists, too, albeit plainly none involved in the making of the Atlas Shrugged movies—and “going Galt” means they’re going to take their toys and go home. The arrogance of that is astounding, and it robs both parts of this adaptation of empathy, which is the primordial soup of good drama. Without it, Part II continues to leave Rand’s philosophy to function only in the abstract.
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Re: Atlas Shrugged II - Opens This Weekend

Postby john9blue on Sun Oct 14, 2012 1:20 pm

Symmetry wrote:Atlas Shrugged Part 2-The Strike, rated F

Dagny Taggart’s long journey back to The Shire continues, over the will of the free market, in Atlas Shrugged: Part II—The Strike, the middle installment of an epic six-hour temper tantrum based on Ayn Rand’s Objectivist novel. Picking up right where the last one left off—albeit with a new cast, a new director, and perhaps a little more fiscal discipline in the production budget— Part II hits the current political scene in stride, incorporating the Occupy Wall Street protests into its dystopian vision of makers and takers, the 1 percent who innovate and the 99 percent who sponge off the profits. As with Part I, Rand’s polemics translate awkwardly to drama, making robots out of another corral of veteran character actors. But the specific problem with Part II is that a second act of huffery and puffery don’t get it anywhere: After the cliffhanger of one major industrialist “going Galt,” it offers another two hours of major industrialists going Galt. Those who want to see what these geniuses do will have to wait until Part III. And until then, there’s a wedding-reception toast about the value of money to tide them over.

Proving the theorem from Todd Solondz’s Palindromes that different actors can play the same role without losing much continuity, Samantha Mathis plays Dagny with all the lifelessness Taylor Schilling brought to the original role. In Part I, Dagny revived the Taggart railway company—and her slumbering libido—by getting into business with Henry Reardon (now played by Jason Beghe), a steel-company magnate who laid down magic track across Taggart Tunnel, euphemistically speaking. But with gas prices spiking to $40 per gallon, unemployment on the rise, and global economic collapse imminent, the liberal government, with its Fair Share measures, wants a big piece of both businesses. While other geniuses drop out of society—leaving the cryptic note, “Who Is John Galt?”—Dagny and Henry continue to try to keep their businesses alive and serve the stupidheads who patronize them.

Part II introduces another piece of world-changing magic: a mysterious machine that can harness power from static electricity in the air, thus buffeting Atlas Shrugged’s capitalist utopia of mass transit and alternative energy sources. There’s also some scary business about an emergency government plan to force people to stay employed, shut down the patent office, and sign all inventions over to Big Brother. Atlas Shrugged is premised on the idea that the world only has a few true geniuses—great industrialists, inventors, musicians, and artists, too, albeit plainly none involved in the making of the Atlas Shrugged movies—and “going Galt” means they’re going to take their toys and go home. The arrogance of that is astounding, and it robs both parts of this adaptation of empathy, which is the primordial soup of good drama. Without it, Part II continues to leave Rand’s philosophy to function only in the abstract.


i want your honest opinion symmetry: do you think the review that you quoted was unbiased?
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Re: Atlas Shrugged II - Opens This Weekend

Postby Symmetry on Sun Oct 14, 2012 1:22 pm

john9blue wrote:
Symmetry wrote:Atlas Shrugged Part 2-The Strike, rated F

Dagny Taggart’s long journey back to The Shire continues, over the will of the free market, in Atlas Shrugged: Part II—The Strike, the middle installment of an epic six-hour temper tantrum based on Ayn Rand’s Objectivist novel. Picking up right where the last one left off—albeit with a new cast, a new director, and perhaps a little more fiscal discipline in the production budget— Part II hits the current political scene in stride, incorporating the Occupy Wall Street protests into its dystopian vision of makers and takers, the 1 percent who innovate and the 99 percent who sponge off the profits. As with Part I, Rand’s polemics translate awkwardly to drama, making robots out of another corral of veteran character actors. But the specific problem with Part II is that a second act of huffery and puffery don’t get it anywhere: After the cliffhanger of one major industrialist “going Galt,” it offers another two hours of major industrialists going Galt. Those who want to see what these geniuses do will have to wait until Part III. And until then, there’s a wedding-reception toast about the value of money to tide them over.

Proving the theorem from Todd Solondz’s Palindromes that different actors can play the same role without losing much continuity, Samantha Mathis plays Dagny with all the lifelessness Taylor Schilling brought to the original role. In Part I, Dagny revived the Taggart railway company—and her slumbering libido—by getting into business with Henry Reardon (now played by Jason Beghe), a steel-company magnate who laid down magic track across Taggart Tunnel, euphemistically speaking. But with gas prices spiking to $40 per gallon, unemployment on the rise, and global economic collapse imminent, the liberal government, with its Fair Share measures, wants a big piece of both businesses. While other geniuses drop out of society—leaving the cryptic note, “Who Is John Galt?”—Dagny and Henry continue to try to keep their businesses alive and serve the stupidheads who patronize them.

Part II introduces another piece of world-changing magic: a mysterious machine that can harness power from static electricity in the air, thus buffeting Atlas Shrugged’s capitalist utopia of mass transit and alternative energy sources. There’s also some scary business about an emergency government plan to force people to stay employed, shut down the patent office, and sign all inventions over to Big Brother. Atlas Shrugged is premised on the idea that the world only has a few true geniuses—great industrialists, inventors, musicians, and artists, too, albeit plainly none involved in the making of the Atlas Shrugged movies—and “going Galt” means they’re going to take their toys and go home. The arrogance of that is astounding, and it robs both parts of this adaptation of empathy, which is the primordial soup of good drama. Without it, Part II continues to leave Rand’s philosophy to function only in the abstract.


i want your honest opinion symmetry: do you think the review that you quoted was unbiased?


Nope, it was from a film critic. They tend to pan the crap ones.
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Re: Atlas Shrugged II - Opens This Weekend

Postby john9blue on Sun Oct 14, 2012 1:28 pm

Symmetry wrote:
john9blue wrote:
Symmetry wrote:Atlas Shrugged Part 2-The Strike, rated F

Dagny Taggart’s long journey back to The Shire continues, over the will of the free market, in Atlas Shrugged: Part II—The Strike, the middle installment of an epic six-hour temper tantrum based on Ayn Rand’s Objectivist novel. Picking up right where the last one left off—albeit with a new cast, a new director, and perhaps a little more fiscal discipline in the production budget— Part II hits the current political scene in stride, incorporating the Occupy Wall Street protests into its dystopian vision of makers and takers, the 1 percent who innovate and the 99 percent who sponge off the profits. As with Part I, Rand’s polemics translate awkwardly to drama, making robots out of another corral of veteran character actors. But the specific problem with Part II is that a second act of huffery and puffery don’t get it anywhere: After the cliffhanger of one major industrialist “going Galt,” it offers another two hours of major industrialists going Galt. Those who want to see what these geniuses do will have to wait until Part III. And until then, there’s a wedding-reception toast about the value of money to tide them over.

Proving the theorem from Todd Solondz’s Palindromes that different actors can play the same role without losing much continuity, Samantha Mathis plays Dagny with all the lifelessness Taylor Schilling brought to the original role. In Part I, Dagny revived the Taggart railway company—and her slumbering libido—by getting into business with Henry Reardon (now played by Jason Beghe), a steel-company magnate who laid down magic track across Taggart Tunnel, euphemistically speaking. But with gas prices spiking to $40 per gallon, unemployment on the rise, and global economic collapse imminent, the liberal government, with its Fair Share measures, wants a big piece of both businesses. While other geniuses drop out of society—leaving the cryptic note, “Who Is John Galt?”—Dagny and Henry continue to try to keep their businesses alive and serve the stupidheads who patronize them.

Part II introduces another piece of world-changing magic: a mysterious machine that can harness power from static electricity in the air, thus buffeting Atlas Shrugged’s capitalist utopia of mass transit and alternative energy sources. There’s also some scary business about an emergency government plan to force people to stay employed, shut down the patent office, and sign all inventions over to Big Brother. Atlas Shrugged is premised on the idea that the world only has a few true geniuses—great industrialists, inventors, musicians, and artists, too, albeit plainly none involved in the making of the Atlas Shrugged movies—and “going Galt” means they’re going to take their toys and go home. The arrogance of that is astounding, and it robs both parts of this adaptation of empathy, which is the primordial soup of good drama. Without it, Part II continues to leave Rand’s philosophy to function only in the abstract.


i want your honest opinion symmetry: do you think the review that you quoted was unbiased?


Nope, it was from a film critic. They tend to pan the crap ones.


i don't think you understand what "biased" means.

bias is a preconceived notion, not a postconceived notion.

try again.
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Re: Atlas Shrugged II - Opens This Weekend

Postby Symmetry on Sun Oct 14, 2012 1:31 pm

He watched the film, thought it was crap. Reviewed it, said it was crap.

For more reviews:
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/atlas_shrugged_part_ii/

"Atlas Shrugged: Part II" is political economy written with crayon.


A stupid person's idea of what a smart movie sounds like.


A disaster as a film, Atlas also is laughable in its presentation of Rand's ideology.


If the novel Atlas Shrugged is ultimate libertarian porn, then the first two installments of the screen adaptation are soggy softcore.


It's consistent with its predecessor as a somewhat awkward translation of Ayn Rand's 1957 novel to our current era, handled with bland telepic-style competency.


I'd quote the positive reviews, but there aren't any. It's a 0%.
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Re: Atlas Shrugged II - Opens This Weekend

Postby john9blue on Sun Oct 14, 2012 2:09 pm

can't wait for Das Kapital: The Movie to come out and get rave reviews

so just to be clear, you think movie critics aren't biased?
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Re: Atlas Shrugged II - Opens This Weekend

Postby Symmetry on Sun Oct 14, 2012 2:12 pm

john9blue wrote:can't wait for Das Kapital: The Movie to come out and get rave reviews

so just to be clear, you think movie critics aren't biased?


Did this question before, they're biased against crap movies. It's kind of their job to be. Next up, J9B argues Battlefield Earth wasn't crap, the critics were just biased against Scientology.

It was crap.
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Re: Atlas Shrugged II - Opens This Weekend

Postby john9blue on Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:11 pm

Symmetry wrote:
john9blue wrote:can't wait for Das Kapital: The Movie to come out and get rave reviews

so just to be clear, you think movie critics aren't biased?


Did this question before, they're biased against crap movies. It's kind of their job to be. Next up, J9B argues Battlefield Earth wasn't crap, the critics were just biased against Scientology.

It was crap.


have you seen it, or are you making this statement just based on faith?
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