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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - N2 23/25

Postby samgrossy on Wed Oct 17, 2012 3:49 pm

EBWOP

Obviously if mafia picked LSU to roleblock, they would know that he wasn't mafia. But they wouldn't have known he was a vig, able to kill one a mafia. So they may have just blindly picked LSU and said let's roleblock him and then kill him to give us the best chance of killing him.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - N2 23/25

Postby aage on Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:07 pm

samgrossy wrote:EBWOP

Obviously if mafia picked LSU to roleblock, they would know that he wasn't mafia. But they wouldn't have known he was a vig, able to kill one a mafia. So they may have just blindly picked LSU and said let's roleblock him and then kill him to give us the best chance of killing him.

Roleblocking someone doesn't give you good chances your kill will come through. Bulletproof townies stay bulletproof afaik, and docs rarely doc themselves. I think they knew Lsu was a potential threat to them during the night for some reason. The fact that the roleblock came "from the dark" makes me think it's a scum ability (night-time seems demon's territory and it's dark at night), so I doubt there'll be shame on anyone. The mafia probably had some clue to Lsu's powers. I'll reread his posts tomorrow to see if I can find it, got some sleep to catch up now.

chap wrote:Trying to think whether or not I want to share information that I have. It may be better to wait.

Tell me, what does everyone consider good odds for us to kill people? If we have two people and 1 is for sure town and one is anti-town, would agreeing to kill both be agreeable? I think it should be. What about if it's 3 people and 1 is anti-town and 2 are town? What percentages would you think are worth it?
1 on 1 trades are fine by me, as long as we don't have to lynch twice for it. Now that the vig is gone, I'm not so sure. If you have info you want to share, please share it, though. By saying this much you've practically already consented to do so. I'm interested in your role, since you appear to be able to investigate a group of people.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - N2 23/25

Postby soundman on Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:09 pm

chapcrap wrote:Trying to think whether or not I want to share information that I have. It may be better to wait.

Tell me, what does everyone consider good odds for us to kill people? If we have two people and 1 is for sure town and one is anti-town, would agreeing to kill both be agreeable? I think it should be. What about if it's 3 people and 1 is anti-town and 2 are town? What percentages would you think are worth it?

If we know one is town and the other mafia, why would we kill both? Why not just kill the mafia? Or are you saying that in order to kill a mafia we would have to lose a townie or two? I'd trade one town for one mafia. Mafia is much smaller than town so the trade would be a good one. Not sure that I would trade two town for one mafia...

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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D3 23/25

Postby Victor Sullivan on Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:17 pm

Fluff my muffins! I can't believe that.

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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D3 23/25

Postby vodean on Thu Oct 18, 2012 12:22 am

i think a 1-1 trade town for anti-town is a good one. but be careful. sometimes a 2-1 trade is good too. it all depends on who we get. if we get a 3rd party its not worth it. a godfather would be worth 2-1. it just depends. so decide based on what sort of information you have. if someone is mafia, and you will be killed because mafia will know your role, its probably worth it because its guaranteed scum. just use your better judgement.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D3 23/25

Postby safariguy5 on Thu Oct 18, 2012 12:31 am

I think that since we're at reasonably early on in the game, a 1-1 trade would help town a lot more. So I'd be in favor of it.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D3 23/25

Postby strike wolf on Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:27 am

1-1 trade is good. 2-1 is dependent on the town roles vs the importance of the mafia role.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D3 23/25

Postby jonty125 on Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:32 am

I think if you have 2 suspects go for it; but I'm not sure about 3 because mafia way want to pick you off and if we make a mess of the lynch it ends up been 4 to 1, which is not pretty.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D3 23/25

Postby edocsil on Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:48 am

LSU replaces Mr. S.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D3 23/25

Postby aage on Thu Oct 18, 2012 12:11 pm

edocsil wrote:LSU replaces Mr. S.

So LSU, did you target anyone with your vig ability last night?
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D3 23/25

Postby VioIet on Thu Oct 18, 2012 12:17 pm

edocsil wrote:LSU replaces Mr. S.


That is slightly disappointing that no one was able to replace Squirrel before Night 2. This means that Squirrel/LSU was unable to use their night action during Night 2. He could've found out some good information for us.


chapcrap wrote:Trying to think whether or not I want to share information that I have. It may be better to wait.

Tell me, what does everyone consider good odds for us to kill people? If we have two people and 1 is for sure town and one is anti-town, would agreeing to kill both be agreeable? I think it should be. What about if it's 3 people and 1 is anti-town and 2 are town? What percentages would you think are worth it?


I am guessing from this that Chap was given a group of names/people, either two or three. And he was told within the group of two people that one is town and one is mafia. He was probably told within the group of three people that one was mafia and two were town. The thing is- he doesn't know exactly which is which or who is who. He was just given a group of names.
This is interesting- and reminds me of the Stool Pigeon Variant. I doubt that Edoc made this game according to that variant, but interesting similarity, nonetheless.


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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D3 23/25

Postby samgrossy on Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:07 pm

aage wrote:
edocsil wrote:LSU replaces Mr. S.

So LSU, did you target anyone with your vig ability last night?



I think that if LSU answers this question, it would be a severe breach of gameply rules. LSU v1.0 died last night and we can't ask a dead guy any questions. And, as I recall, Squirrel did not claim Vig.

I am sure LSU won't answer it, but at the very least I think he SHOULDN'T answer this question.


In other related news, it's time for me to really look into cases. With Sully's latest post, just so everyone knows, I am going to research to see if there is a case against him. His meaningless posts have not really contributed to the game. But I at least want to see if there is some connection to him and scum or town.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D3 23/25

Postby aage on Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:12 pm

samgrossy wrote:
aage wrote:
edocsil wrote:LSU replaces Mr. S.

So LSU, did you target anyone with your vig ability last night?



I think that if LSU answers this question, it would be a severe breach of gameply rules. LSU v1.0 died last night and we can't ask a dead guy any questions. And, as I recall, Squirrel did not claim Vig.

Oh, right. That might be why I dislike dead players replacing in games. Despite that, I assume edocsil is a responsible mod and therefore the answer to my question can't have a serious impact on the game.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D3 23/25

Postby edocsil on Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:36 pm

samgrossy wrote:
aage wrote:
edocsil wrote:LSU replaces Mr. S.

So LSU, did you target anyone with your vig ability last night?



I think that if LSU answers this question, it would be a severe breach of gameply rules. LSU v1.0 died last night and we can't ask a dead guy any questions. And, as I recall, Squirrel did not claim Vig.

I am sure LSU won't answer it, but at the very least I think he SHOULDN'T answer this question.


That would be poor sportsmanship at best. I need a few replaces bad, bad enough to use the dead for them. However, LSU was chosen with the idea in mind that if he said or remembered something from his past role it wouldn't be modkill worthy or break the game in any way.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D3 23/25

Postby strike wolf on Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:42 pm

So I take it that means that understanding his action won't necessarily lead to a scum lynch.
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