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Re: Classic Cities Madrid [18/10] V11 Pg 1/5 Spanish Text

Postby cairnswk on Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:23 am

ManBungalow wrote:This is still graphically overloaded.


Koontz, i haveto agree with MB, ilooked at an earlier version and apart from the large buildings at the top of the map, i thought how nice and simply it is was, but then i saw this version and almost had caniptions....way too much happeneing on it now. :o
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Re: Classic Cities Madrid [18/10] V11 Pg 1/5 Spanish Text

Postby koontz1973 on Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:36 am

cairnswk wrote:
ManBungalow wrote:This is still graphically overloaded.


Koontz, i haveto agree with MB, ilooked at an earlier version and apart from the large buildings at the top of the map, i thought how nice and simply it is was, but then i saw this version and almost had caniptions....way too much happeneing on it now. :o


That may be so, but the larger buildings looked really bad when placed on the map all over. More buildings needed to go on and at the larger size, you could not get enough on to make it worth while. So the buildings became smaller. I understand the idea that it may have a lot going on, but it is still clear and not complicated. People may think that it has to many, some others may like it as it is. Either way, I am not going to win.

Here are the larger buildings, and to have them at this size where needed would not be a good idea. More are needed now for the impassables, and I do not think adding more roads to this one will make any difference apart from making it a more generic map (like all other city maps) and and even worse graphically.
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Guys, I understand that some of you lot may not like the style and can make the buildings a tad bigger but they will not go to the size they once where. But as for graphically overloaded, I have to disagree as I could of gone far more into the individual buildings. As now, all territs have one building that is unique for that area and the territ is names after it. Also, the above image, although clearer, is a complete waste of space as it is not even good.
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Re: Classic Cities Madrid [18/10] V11 Pg 1/5 Spanish Text

Postby cairnswk on Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:26 am

koontz, there is a big difference between style and overcrowding. :)
Who said you have to win in the debate about buildings...i thought the idea was to strike some balance between what people want !
i luv the style, it is quite unique, but you have it overcrowded with trees and buildings that do nothing to enhance the visuality of the piece.
Just because there is space available, does not mean you have to fill it up...less is more remember :) unless it fulfills a gameplay function.
Also, not a fan of the spanish text...when this is an english site and instructions need to be in english unless using names of places etc. otherwise nearly all of us will be rushing for the google translator :P
the crossing in the legend blends into the background also, can you lift it out a fraction so it is more visible.
i am not being overly critical here either, i am simply stating what i see between earier version and the current version, and i am offering to you that the map is overcrowded with icons. :)
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Re: Classic Cities Madrid [18/10] V11 Pg 1/5 Spanish Text

Postby koontz1973 on Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:31 am

I agree with the overcrowding part and that is what I wanted. Remember, this is a city that is full of life. Madrid is for a better word, overcrowded. But will make the buildings a tad larger and that will take care of the problem.

About the Spanish text, nola asked for it and isasah said it is worth a try so did it. I am happy either way.

Not taking this in a bad way at all has I always value your opinion (as it is given rarely).

Will make the buildings around 25-50% bigger. This will mean less of them on the map and solve the problem. Your point n the trees is also accepted, but remember, the zone with them in is the largest park within a city in the world.

But before I go through the trouble of redoing the buildings, I want the GP stamp. THat way I am not continuously doing them.
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Re: Classic Cities Madrid [18/10] V11 Pg 1/5 Spanish Text

Postby nolefan5311 on Thu Oct 18, 2012 1:20 pm

We'll go ahead and get this stickied for the gameplay stamp.

If anyone has any issues/concerns/questions, now is the time to make them heard. Otherwise, this will be stamped in 48 hours.
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Re: Classic Cities Madrid [18/10] V11 Pg 1/5 Spanish Text

Postby Pirlo on Fri Oct 19, 2012 8:53 am

I heard Madrid is the only European capital with no river :-k
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Re: Classic Cities Madrid [18/10] V11 Pg 1/5 Spanish Text

Postby koontz1973 on Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:22 am

Pirlo wrote:I heard Madrid is the only European capital with no river :-k

It is called Manzanares.
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Re: Classic Cities Madrid [18/10] V11 Pg 1/5 Spanish Text

Postby puppydog85 on Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:07 pm

That's because it was a hunting lodge, not a city.
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Re: Classic Cities Madrid [18/10] V11 Pg 1/5 Spanish Text

Postby pamoa on Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:37 pm

I'm not a great fan of your graphics but all tastes are in nature...
isn't your Spanish text in Italian ?!? :lol:
haven't you something more appealing for your bonus zone than colours
on gameplay side its just a plain classic map
is your neutral/start pos strategy still valid to avoid bonus at drop in the 2 a 3 zones bonuses
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Re: Classic Cities Madrid [18/10] V11 Pg 1/5 Spanish Text

Postby koontz1973 on Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:42 pm

pamoa wrote:I'm not a great fan of your graphics but all tastes are in nature...
isn't your Spanish text in Italian ?!? :lol:
haven't you something more appealing for your bonus zone than colours
on gameplay side its just a plain classic map
is your neutral/start pos strategy still valid to avoid bonus at drop in the 2 a 3 zones bonuses

Graphics will change a tad as always. Cairns has asked for larger buildings so will work on those in a bit after stamp.
Bonus zones have to be colours as now it is only the centre of Madrid and only covers one and some districts.
The neutral starts will stop all bonuses being dropped every time in all game types. No one will ever get a bonus drop.
As for normal game play, I know we have it around a million times, but I wanted a map that has not got anything done to it and small.
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Re: Classic Cities Madrid [18/10] V11 Pg 1/5 Spanish Text

Postby pamoa on Fri Oct 19, 2012 3:48 pm

oh now I see your first image in the first post isn't up to date
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Re: Classic Cities Madrid [18/10] V11 Pg 1/5 Spanish Text

Postby koontz1973 on Fri Oct 19, 2012 11:10 pm

pamoa wrote:oh now I see your first image in the first post isn't up to date

My bad, fixed it and added the new game play notes to the correct spoiler.
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Re: Classic Cities Madrid [18/10] V11 Pg 1/5 Spanish Text

Postby mviola on Sat Oct 20, 2012 1:50 am

The Spanish is actually Italian.

And what you wrote doesn't even make grammatical sense...

What is written: Ponti e attraversamenti permette di attraversare fiumi e strade. Gli edifici sono impraticabili.
What should be written: Ponti sono attraversamenti che permettono di attraversare fiumi e strade. Gli edifici sono impraticabili.

You can probably take that and switch it to Spanish easily now since Italian and Spanish are so similar and have the same basic structure.
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Re: Classic Cities Madrid [18/10] V11 Pg 1/5 Spanish Text

Postby koontz1973 on Sat Oct 20, 2012 2:15 am

I know it is wrong but the text will stay in the English anyway.
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Re: Classic Cities Madrid [18/10] V11 Pg 1/5 Spanish Text

Postby ManBungalow on Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:54 pm

koontz1973 wrote:Image


I notice that the trees you have in this image are the same as in the one on page 1...only you've cranked the contrast up for the current draft and it's quite hard on the eyes as a result.

If this were my map/decision, it would have softer colours and less clutter.

That is all.
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Re: Classic Cities Madrid [18/10] V11 Pg 1/5

Postby koontz1973 on Sat Oct 20, 2012 1:06 pm

The trees in the current draft are identical to the one in the pic you posted. I did nothing to the contrast at all. The only difference is now there are more colours to them to get away from the sameness issue. Same with the buildings.

The only difference between the two pictures is scale and the addition of new buildings.
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Re: Classic Cities Madrid [18/10] V11 Pg 1/5 Spanish Text

Postby pamoa on Sat Oct 20, 2012 1:37 pm

mviola wrote:What is written: Ponti e attraversamenti permette di attraversare fiumi e strade. Gli edifici sono impraticabili.
What should be written: Ponti sono attraversamenti che permettono di attraversare fiumi e strade. Gli edifici sono impraticabili.
neither are correct
ponti e passaggi pedonali permettono di attraversare fiumi e strade
which in google translate gives
puentes y pasarelas permiten cruzar ríos y carreteras
koontz1973 wrote:Bonus zones have to be colours as now it is only the centre of Madrid and only covers one and some districts.
at leat give it some Spanish flavour
barrio naranja
barrio rosa
barrio rojo
barrio verde
barrio amarilla
barrio azul
barrio cian
pamoa wrote:oh now I see your first image in the first post isn't up to date
koontz1973 wrote:My bad, fixed it and added the new game play notes to the correct spoiler.
sorry but is your last map page 6
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or page 1
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Re: Classic Cities Madrid [18/10] V11 Pg 1/5

Postby Falkomagno on Sat Oct 20, 2012 6:37 pm

The spanish text is in italian....
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Re: Classic Cities Madrid [18/10] V11 Pg 1/5 Spanish Text

Postby koontz1973 on Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:02 pm

pamoa wrote:barrio naranja
barrio rosa
barrio rojo
barrio verde
barrio amarilla
barrio azul
barrio cian
sorry but is your last map page 6
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I like the bonus idea. Now that is going to be a good way to get more of a Spanish feel to he map and not confuse players. Will add to the map today.
Title of thread states the last map is on pages 1 and 5. The one on 6 way an earlier draft that ManBungalow and cairnswk wanted to see again but I rejected as it was a first draft only. Here is the correct version which you have also posted.
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Falkomagno wrote:The spanish text is in italian....

I know this now. Bloody google translate is bloody awful.
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Re: Classic Cities Madrid [18/10] V11 Pg 1/5

Postby nolefan5311 on Sun Oct 21, 2012 12:57 am

I honestly feel like the Spanish in the impassable region is going to cause problems once this hits Beta. Those are not simple words that most non-Spanish speakers know. Is this the only option? Can it be something simple like...

Conecta Territorios
Puente = (picture of bridge)
Cruce = (picture of crossing)
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Re: Classic Cities Madrid [18/10] V11 Pg 1/5

Postby koontz1973 on Sun Oct 21, 2012 1:08 am

Will keep the Spanish out of that part but is it OK to add it to the bonuses. As of now, they are colour coded so knowing Spanish is not needed.
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Re: Classic Cities Madrid [18/10] V11 Pg 1/5

Postby nolefan5311 on Sun Oct 21, 2012 1:31 am

koontz1973 wrote:Will keep the Spanish out of that part but is it OK to add it to the bonuses. As of now, they are colour coded so knowing Spanish is not needed.


Yeah, I really like the bonuses the way they are now.
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Re: Classic Cities Madrid [18/10] V11 Pg 1/5

Postby koontz1973 on Sun Oct 21, 2012 1:37 am

Great, Pamoa gave me the correct Spanish so will use these.
barrio naranja
barrio rosa
barrio rojo
barrio verde
barrio amarilla
barrio azul
barrio cian

Will add later today as going out.
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Re: Classic Cities Madrid [18/10] V11 Pg 1/5

Postby koontz1973 on Sun Oct 21, 2012 9:57 am

koontz1973 wrote:Great, Pamoa gave me the correct Spanish so will use these.
barrio naranja
barrio rosa
barrio rojo
barrio verde
barrio amarilla
barrio azul
barrio cian

Will add later today as going out.


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Re: Classic Cities Madrid [21/10] V11 Pg 1/7

Postby MarathonMax on Sun Oct 21, 2012 2:09 pm

I do not often comment maps in progress. Shame on me.

This one?

With all due respect to map makers, this map is just, well, blah.... too small and too similar to so many other maps with no special twist to it.

My $0.02

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