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Nobunaga wrote:... Remember the Bush vs. Kerry campaign? Which one of them lied, I forget, but it was something like, "Bush lied and good men died", or maybe it was Kerry who lied...
... Regardless, I was trying to dust off that old phrase.
... But this does matter. A terrorist attack by Al Quaeda (sp?) that kills our ambassador. Obama knew about this as it was going on and did nothing to protect US citizens in harm's way.
... We always have a carrier in the Med. We have Marines in many locations around the area (the Med is not a big sea - 2 hours from Italy to Benghazi)... he should have done something! He knowingly ignored the situation and knowingly attempted to deceive the American people into believing that the whole tragedy was the result of a video.
... Why? Think about it. Obama got Osama. "Terrorists on the Run" is the narrative we're supposed to believe. Al Quaeda killing our ambassador does not fit the narrative and hurts the re-election campaign. Everything is political to this man, evaluated for its potential use or harm, even the death of innocents he had the power to protect.
Mr_Adams wrote:You, sir, are an idiot.
Timminz wrote:By that logic, you eat babies.
Funkyterrance wrote:Cmon, everyone knows Politicians and Presidents don't lie.
notyou2 wrote:Obama was not responsible for those deaths, however, Romney is directly responsible for a great many jobs lost in the US.
notyou2 wrote:Obama was not responsible for those deaths, however, Romney is directly responsible for a great many jobs lost in the US.
tzor wrote:Funkyterrance wrote:Cmon, everyone knows Politicians and Presidents don't lie.
Presidents who lie (Nixon) should be threatened with impeachment and forced to resign, for the good of the Presidency.
Unless you are a Democrat and you lie about sex. In that case your wife should be elected Senator.
Woodruff wrote:tzor wrote:Funkyterrance wrote:Cmon, everyone knows Politicians and Presidents don't lie.
Presidents who lie (Nixon) should be threatened with impeachment and forced to resign, for the good of the Presidency.
Unless you are a Democrat and you lie about sex. In that case your wife should be elected Senator.
Do you actually believe the Clinton situation merited impeachment?
Doc_Brown wrote:Woodruff wrote:tzor wrote:Funkyterrance wrote:Cmon, everyone knows Politicians and Presidents don't lie.
Presidents who lie (Nixon) should be threatened with impeachment and forced to resign, for the good of the Presidency.
Unless you are a Democrat and you lie about sex. In that case your wife should be elected Senator.
Do you actually believe the Clinton situation merited impeachment?
I forget, is perjury a high crime or misdemeanor? I know it's at least a sufficient black mark to merit disbarment. But we probably shouldn't expect the president of the United States and the Commander-in-Chief of her military to be held to the same high standards as lawyers and ambulance chasers.
Woodruff wrote:Doc_Brown wrote:Woodruff wrote:Do you actually believe the Clinton situation merited impeachment?
I forget, is perjury a high crime or misdemeanor? I know it's at least a sufficient black mark to merit disbarment. But we probably shouldn't expect the president of the United States and the Commander-in-Chief of her military to be held to the same high standards as lawyers and ambulance chasers.
Was it proven to be perjury (I honestly don't recall). I looked it up, and came across this:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/1998/12/what_is_clintons_perjury_defense.html
Doc_Brown wrote:Woodruff wrote:Doc_Brown wrote:Woodruff wrote:Do you actually believe the Clinton situation merited impeachment?
I forget, is perjury a high crime or misdemeanor? I know it's at least a sufficient black mark to merit disbarment. But we probably shouldn't expect the president of the United States and the Commander-in-Chief of her military to be held to the same high standards as lawyers and ambulance chasers.
Was it proven to be perjury (I honestly don't recall). I looked it up, and came across this:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/1998/12/what_is_clintons_perjury_defense.html
The Senate declined to convict him, so in a legal sense, he is not guilty of committing perjury. Congress impeached him, which is the equivalent to a grand jury indictment, which means there was a reasonable case to be made that he did commit perjury. He was found in contempt of court and fined, and he lost his Arkansas law license for 5 years and was permanently disbarred from practicing law before the Supreme Court:
http://www.nytimes.com/1999/04/13/us/cl ... wsuit.html
http://articles.latimes.com/1999/jul/30/news/mn-61021
http://famguardian.org/Subjects/LawAndG ... 011001.htm
Woodruff wrote:tzor wrote:Funkyterrance wrote:Cmon, everyone knows Politicians and Presidents don't lie.
Presidents who lie (Nixon) should be threatened with impeachment and forced to resign, for the good of the Presidency.
Unless you are a Democrat and you lie about sex. In that case your wife should be elected Senator.
Do you actually believe the Clinton situation merited impeachment?
tzor wrote:Woodruff wrote:tzor wrote:Funkyterrance wrote:Cmon, everyone knows Politicians and Presidents don't lie.
Presidents who lie (Nixon) should be threatened with impeachment and forced to resign, for the good of the Presidency.
Unless you are a Democrat and you lie about sex. In that case your wife should be elected Senator.
Do you actually believe the Clinton situation merited impeachment?
In hindsight, if you really want an honest answer, I think the Clinton perjury was a .8 to .9 on the Nixon Scale.
It is borderline at best and probably not worth the expense on average and probably not a significant offense to impeach at worst.
Mind you, in either Clinton's or Nixon's purjury ... NO ONE DIED.
Fast and Furious is probably a 2.0 on the Nixon Scale.
In the case of Benghazi, It's at a minimum of 10.0 on the Nixon Scale and might even reach TREASON.
Woodruff wrote:So then you're pursuing Bush as well? Or is this just a partisan thing?
Nobunaga wrote:. ... Fact 2. The President did not send in the Marines. He did not send gun ships. He did not send anybody. He abandoned those people.
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PLAYER57832 wrote:So you are under the impression that marines or gun ships could have arrived at the embassy within the 15 minutes or so it took for it to go in full swing... and noting that by the time Obama DID know, it was a few minutes after the attack had commenced?
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