No no, sax. It's false because Gabon says so. Let us sit and watch as he asserts another opinion in order to advance his absolutely true worldview.
Maybe he'll teach us that intervention is not really intervention!
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GabonX wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:Do you know what false equivalence means? Do you understand the problems of comparing apples to oranges?
I doBigBallinStalin wrote:WW2 (two examples)
1) No nuclear deterrence. None. And no knowledge from others on the impact of nuclear weapons.
2) No substitutes for agitating states without going to full-scale war (i.e. the use of terrorism/insurgency)
(of course, there's more)
Comparing two scenarios where the institutions and incentives of the policymakers are completely different is fallacious. It's false equivalence.
And this tangent constitutes a red herring because it argues against a position I haven't taken, that being I've made a comparison between the state of things in Syria and Germany under Hitler. I mentioned the Third Reich only as an example of when earlier intervention would have likely saved lives to illustrate this kind of situation exists, not to say Syria is the same today.
You've committed fallacies with your false assertion towards me here, and in this post you've denied the antecedent and committed false pretense in the first two sentences respectively. I could find more examples of your looseness in this thread, but it takes too much time to illustrate it all...
With Saxi skittzing about Hezbollah and Syria not being able to reach the US (all nations can reach all other nations and have had this ability for some time), and others alluding that because I may say something invalid that the things I say are invalid, I care to give you little time as individuals because the things you say are off topic and ridiculous.
I have no desire to spend any significant amount of time addressing this bull shit. I prefer to exchange ideas with like minded people or at least with those who have appreciation than defend positions I haven't taken against endlessly divergent and fallacious arguments.
In 1936 Hitler violated the Treaty of Versailles by re-militarizing the Rhineland. Had the nations Hitler later declared war on (Britain, France, the US, etc.) intervened at this point they would have had a qualitative edge in weaponry as the industrial sector of the German war machine was not yet at peak production. While it's possible that for some unknown reason Germany may have been able to inflict more damage to the allies with a less developed military, it's much more likely that intervention at this point of qualitative military advantage for the allied powers would have saved the lives of countless civilians and service people.
Actually, there's no evidence that damns lack of intervention because you can't show the counter-factual. All we can say is, "wow, this intervention caused all this damage," and then we make comparisons of those consequences to speculated consequences.
The point is simple. If conflict seems likely because enemies of a man or state proclaim their hatred and lust for violence against that man or state, action should be taken at a point of strategic advantage. This may come before an enemy acts in which case the action taken is preemptive. If it is deemed that a greater advantage may come at some point in the future it may be wiser to pursue a policy of postponement. To pursue postponement while such an enemy is gaining relative strength is foolish and will likely cost resources, lives, or both to correct, if such a mistake is correctable.
Christian Science Monitor wrote:In an empty coffee house in Antakya, local tradesman Ahmet Sari's face crumples in anger as he speaks about Syria.
"What's happening in Syria is all part of America's great project to reshape the borders of the Middle East. America and its allies don't care about bringing democracy to the Syrian people. Look at what happened to Iraq!” he fumes. “The imperialist countries are only after oil and mineral resources.”
Nineteen months into Syria's conflict, resentment of Ankara and anti-US sentiment simmer in Antakya, which lies just over the border with Syria. The province is grappling with an ailing trade and tourism sector and an influx of refugees and rebel fighters. Locals blame the Turkish government for dragging them into the conflict by backing the Syrian opposition and aligning Turkey with the opposition's Western allies.
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-E ... -implosion
Today's Zaman wrote:The leader of the Republican People's Party (CHP), Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu, on Wednesday criticized the Justice and Development Party's (AK Party) Syrian policy, accusing the government of interfering in the internal affairs of the crisis-hit country.
http://www.todayszaman.com/news-288970- ... fairs.html
GabonX wrote:With Saxi skittzing about Hezbollah and Syria not being able to reach the US (all nations can reach all other nations and have had this ability for some time), and others alluding that because I may say something invalid that the things I say are invalid, I care to give you little time as individuals because the things you say are off topic and ridiculous.
I have no desire to spend any significant amount of time addressing this bull shit. I prefer to exchange ideas with like minded people or at least with those who have appreciation than defend positions I haven't taken against endlessly divergent and fallacious arguments.
GabonX wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:GabonX wrote:
In 1936 Hitler violated the Treaty of Versailles by re-militarizing the Rhineland. Had the nations Hitler later declared war on (Britain, France, the US, etc.) intervened at this point ....., I hope that illustrates the point to some of you.
Guderian09 wrote:GabonX wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:GabonX wrote:
In 1936 Hitler violated the Treaty of Versailles by re-militarizing the Rhineland. Had the nations Hitler later declared war on (Britain, France, the US, etc.) intervened at this point ....., I hope that illustrates the point to some of you.
saxitoxin wrote: TURKEY (supported by Gabby)
"A woman without a headscarf resembles a house without curtains. A house without curtains is either for sale or for rent."- Naim Köse, J&D Party (Turkey)
some Turk - probably the chief justice of the Turkish Supreme Court
DoomYoshi wrote:James Jeffrey just gave me some weird advice. He said "Quit your EU faggotry and embrace Erdogan as America's best hope to beat Russia".
I didn't see how this was feasible since Syria is pretty much a foregone American defeat. His proposed solution had nothing to do with Syria though.
In the end, I definitely could see a full-scale bait-and-switch by invoking NATO wrath via Russia invading Turkey.
I guess Erdogan isn't such a terrible ally after all. He is the closest thing to Putin the rest of the world has.
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