Symmetry wrote: thegreekdog wrote: Symmetry wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:Just checking in. Appears there is still no evidence that a lack of voter identification laws leads to voter fraud. Talk to you guys in a couple of pages.
Aye, at least there's one libertarian still hanging on to to the idea that more government oversight on voting rights is a bad solution to a non-existent problem.
I think you should look at it a different way - Phatscotty isn't actually a libertarian. If he's how you would define a libertarian, you'd also be incorrect.
While I'm fascinated by the internecine politics of the already vague libertarians, perhaps your criticisms should be directed more toward Scotty and his libertarian party stuff- Ron Paul and the Tea Party. You seem a little bit on the fringe of mainstream US libertarianism.
Hey, it's not my fault the Tea Party (and Phatscotty) self-identify as libertarians when they are clearly not. And I criticize Phatscotty plenty... even in this thread (!).
It's also not my fault you don't understand libertarianism or the Libertarian Party (of which Ron Paul is not a candidate and of which the Tea Party is not an organization).
Here is a relevant example:
York County Libertarian Party Chairman Dave Moser said in an email:
“Pennsylvania’s new voter I.D. law is redundant, unconstitutional, and a repugnant example of the political wrangling that we all have come to expect from status quo parties and politicians. The purpose of registering to vote is to fully qualify an individual to cast a ballot. That is the vetting process. To impose other forms of identification that an individual might not have other need for is cumbersome and when these other forms come with a price tag from the state they become a defacto poll tax. We here in These United States of America need to further enfranchise the population in the electorial process. Not enough people care to vest themselves in their own governance via the ballot now yet this law just created greater hurdles for those that have taken reasonable steps already to participate. I have seen various reports indicating anywhere from 9-11% of those currently registered to vote in the commonwealth do not have the necessary identification under this new law to vote this November.”
* If you read further, the local Tea Party organization leader also repudiates the voter registration law.