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Voter Fraud in the US, Electronic Voting Machines

Postby bedub1 on Tue Oct 30, 2012 4:18 pm

http://www.globalresearch.ca/why-is-mit ... ns/5310109

This is no tinfoil hat conspiracy. It’s a math problem. And mathematics showed changes in actual raw voting data that had no statistical correlation other than programmable computer fraud. This computer fraud resulted in votes being flipped from Democrat to Republican in every federal, senatorial, congressional and gubernatorial election since 2008 (thus far) and in the 2012 primary contests from other Republicans to Mitt Romney.
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Re: Voter Fraud in the US, Electronic Voting Machines

Postby Woodruff on Tue Oct 30, 2012 6:51 pm

bedub1 wrote:http://www.globalresearch.ca/why-is-mitt-romney-so-confident-is-the-gop-stealing-the-elections/5310109

This is no tinfoil hat conspiracy. It’s a math problem. And mathematics showed changes in actual raw voting data that had no statistical correlation other than programmable computer fraud. This computer fraud resulted in votes being flipped from Democrat to Republican in every federal, senatorial, congressional and gubernatorial election since 2008 (thus far) and in the 2012 primary contests from other Republicans to Mitt Romney.


You must be mistaken. PLAYER assures me that these machines cannot be misused in this manner.
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Re: Voter Fraud in the US, Electronic Voting Machines

Postby MeDeFe on Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:13 am

"Of the people, by the people, for the people", eh?

It doesn't matter who is or is not involved in that, if it's happening, heads need to roll (metaphorically speaking).
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Re: Voter Fraud in the US, Electronic Voting Machines

Postby Woodruff on Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:36 am

The silence in this thread is deafening.
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Re: Voter Fraud in the US, Electronic Voting Machines

Postby bedub1 on Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:46 am

Woodruff wrote:The silence in this thread is deafening.

Nobody seems too interested about voter fraud. Who cares if you have ID or not, if you are a citizen or not, if the people running the election just changes votes to suit their beliefs.
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Re: Voter Fraud in the US, Electronic Voting Machines

Postby BigBallinStalin on Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:59 am

“Easy to Cheat”

Retired NSA analyst Michael Duniho has worked for nearly seven years trying to understand voting anomalies in his home state of Arizona and Pima County. This publication has written extensively about apparent vote machine manipulation in a 2006 RTA Bond issue election that is still being fought in the courts. Said Duniho, “It is really easy to cheat using computers to count votes, because you can’t see what is going on in the machine.”

When Duniho applied a mathematical model to actual voting results in the largest voting precincts, he saw that only the large precincts suddenly trended towards Mitt Romney in the Arizona primary – and indeed all Republicans in every election since 2008 – by a factor of 8%-10%. The Republican candidate in every race saw an 8-10%. gain in his totals whilst the Democrat lost 8-10%. This is a swing of up to 20 point, enough to win an election unless a candidate was losing very badly.

Since sifting through and decoding massive amounts of data was his work for decades on behalf of the National Security Agency, he wanted to understand why this was ONLY happening in large precincts.


What mathematical model? It only links to an excel spreadsheet (a bunch of data--not a model)...

I simply don't understand the 'damning evidence' from the article.

Sure, people can rig computers (and sure, people can rig people who hand-count ballots), but the NSA name-drop isn't convincing me. I don't even understand how they can say that fraud happened (using the NSA guy's method) without having a true benchmark to compare the observed data with what it should have been... With fraud, there's a discrepancy, but how does one know what the votes should have been (if they were already distorted)?
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Re: Voter Fraud in the US, Electronic Voting Machines

Postby BigBallinStalin on Wed Oct 31, 2012 11:06 am

But as the spreadsheet shows, the larger the precinct, the numbers start to change dramatically.

“If percentages did not change from one precinct to the next, we would see a flat line, but what we are seeing is sloped lines downward for Democrats and upward for Republicans (or, in the case of the Presidential primary, upward for Romney and downward for his opponents), said Duniho.”

In every election contest, the trend lines dramatically crossed for no apparent reason. It was revealed that votes were being systemically bled off for Rick Santorum and Ron Paul and then being credited to Mitt Romney.


So, the trend lines crossed? Therefore, assume only fraud happened? There's no other explanation? (More votes for Romney were counted at that time because... FRAUD! or because people actually voted for Romney...?).

Did all the trend lines cross at the same time? (That would be suspicious, but it doesn't say).


He looked at every 2010 race in Arizona from Governor Brewer to Senator McCain and Congresswoman Gabby Giffords. The trends lines all did the exact same thing. Someone had manipulated the election outcome, most likely one person inserting a programme inside the system’s central computer… that flipped votes.


Okay... the trends lines all did the exact same thing... what exactly did they do? Or were they a reflection of votes--as they actually were (i.e. not fraud).

Furthermore, what are the chances of this observation being an anomaly?

How do other past elections and their trend lines appear?
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Re: Voter Fraud in the US, Electronic Voting Machines

Postby Phatscotty on Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:49 pm

It's simple.

Show the voting machine your voter ID
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Re: Voter Fraud in the US, Electronic Voting Machines

Postby Woodruff on Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:52 pm

Phatscotty wrote:It's simple.

Show the voting machine your voter ID


Do you have any concept of how irrelevant your statement is to the problem?
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Re: Voter Fraud in the US, Electronic Voting Machines

Postby Phatscotty on Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:56 pm

Woodruff wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:It's simple.

Show the voting machine your voter ID


Do you have any concept of how irrelevant your statement is to the problem?


I know your statement is, but what is mine?
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Re: Voter Fraud in the US, Electronic Voting Machines

Postby Woodruff on Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:58 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:It's simple.

Show the voting machine your voter ID


Do you have any concept of how irrelevant your statement is to the problem?


I know your statement is, but what is mine?


It would have been a lot more efficient and certainly more effective for you to simply have said "No, I do not.".
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Re: Voter Fraud in the US, Electronic Voting Machines

Postby Night Strike on Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:57 pm

http://www.marionstar.com/article/20121031/NEWS03/310310009/Problem-found-board-elections?nclick_check=1
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http://www.kmov.com/news/editors-pick/Voter-says-voting-machine-casted-vote-for-wrong-candidate-twice-175900571.html
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Re: Voter Fraud in the US, Electronic Voting Machines

Postby Woodruff on Wed Oct 31, 2012 8:09 pm

Night Strike wrote:http://www.marionstar.com/article/20121031/NEWS03/310310009/Problem-found-board-elections?nclick_check=1
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http://www.kmov.com/news/editors-pick/Voter-says-voting-machine-casted-vote-for-wrong-candidate-twice-175900571.html
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So why aren't we just using the more secure paper ballots, again?
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Re: Voter Fraud in the US, Electronic Voting Machines

Postby Night Strike on Wed Oct 31, 2012 8:32 pm

Woodruff wrote:So why aren't we just using the more secure paper ballots, again?


I honestly have no idea. The precincts I've voted in still use paper ballots. We use a felt marker to connect the broken arrow next to the candidate or issue and then the machine scans the ballot when it's inserted. If the ballot is marked incorrectly (two connections on the same race), it spits back the ballot and the voter must get a new ballot. It's super easy to use and notice if you made a mistake.
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Re: Voter Fraud in the US, Electronic Voting Machines

Postby MeDeFe on Thu Nov 01, 2012 6:01 am

Night Strike wrote:http://www.marionstar.com/article/20121031/NEWS03/310310009/Problem-found-board-elections?nclick_check=1
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http://www.kmov.com/news/editors-pick/Voter-says-voting-machine-casted-vote-for-wrong-candidate-twice-175900571.html
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Yes, this is another problem with electronic voting machines, but luckily it was noticed early enough in those two cases. If the machines display one thing and record another, as the article indicates could be the case, it's nearly impossible to prove unless you get your hands on one such machine.
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